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10/14/2014 11:05:31 AM
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I don't even have the Vex Mythoclast, but I'm pissed at this patch because it shows that Bungie's priorities are f***ing RNG, just like their goddamn effort vs reward mechanic. Instead of fixing things are broke, they are concentrating on PVP balance? There are a whole slew of, what I would classify as "critical" areas of the game that need to be addressed. Things that are obviously "broken". Things that need to be fixed/addressed or they will start losing players (actually, they allready have started to lose players...). But instead of this, they "hotfix" for PVP? And even then, their "fixes" display a complete lack of understanding of their own game. My raid group can clear to Atheon without a single death, but we routinely wipe on Atheon because: 1.) The closest person gets teleported into the time gate 2.) The closest, the person that jumped and the furthest person get teleported into the time gate. 3.) When leaving the time gates you get placed on the wrong side and killed by Atheon/Harpies. 4.) When leaving the time gate you get placed at the wrong time gate and killed by Atheon/Harpies.. 5.) When leaving the time gate, you don't actually leave and are stuck. Beating Atheon (for us), isn't a matter of executing the mechanics of the fight properly, but recovering as quickly as possible after the encounter bugs out, and hoping it only glitches once. The reward for [i]effort / time invested / risk[/i] is another big issue that affects every aspect of the game. The "Loot Caves" were an issue because it was the most direct "Effort vs Reward" payout in the game and was (oddly) one of the most social aspects of the game. Right now, the only "Rewards" in the game are gained via a random number generator, with the exception of 5 exotic bounties. But even those exotic bounties are gained via a RNG. (Oddly enough, I've gotten the same 3 bounties offered 13 times now...) What exactly is going to keep players playing the game if the only way to progress through the content past a certain point requires us to acquire gear, if the only way to acquire said gear is through complete randomness? But no. It's more important that Bungie Hotfixes PVP by nerfing the f*** out of PVE gear. Even the nerfs display a complete lack of understanding of their own game. Thanks to the Iron Banner (that isn't what it says it is, lol normalization...) I've been encountering players with the Vex Mythoclast a lot. It sucks getting 4-shot by by someone with the vex and dying. But really, with few exceptions (scout rifles?) Time-To-Kill is about on par with all of the primary weapons save the [b]Universal Remote[/b]. Incidentally the Suros Regime when ADS does comparable damage to the Mythoclast; the difference is the rate of fire (and magazine size...).
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  • Yes I totally agree. I was astounded by the hot fix. Especially as it appears to break not only the VOG legitimate strategies but, the single player weapons. If the changes were PvP only then fine but, nurfing a gun in single player to fix an issue in MP is idiotic, stupid and arguably does indeed show that the person doing the fixes isn't playing the game or even thinking about the effects of the fixed they introduce. I mean it's not possible to say "Yes this weapon was broken in PvP so we nurfed it in single player". The two modes are mutually exclusive. A raiding party vs level 26 - 28 enemies can't have their already weak weapons nurfed to fix an issue in a PvP arena. It's simple common sense that that group will then be stuffed in the enemy encounter! The fact that the two modes clearly already have the ability to independently alter weapon stats (all PvP modes already nurf weapons and armour). So why was this applied to the single player game too? That and removing the VOG strategies players have formulated feels like a deliberate middle finger up to players.

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  • Finally! Someone else who faces the same issues during atheon! We wipe most frequently because the portals don't send us back. But I guess it doesn't matter anymore because we won't be raiding. They took all the fun and reward out of it because some people didn't like dying in pvp.

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  • [quote]I don't even have the Vex Mythoclast, but I'm pissed at this patch because it shows that Bungie's priorities are f***ing RNG, just like their goddamn effort vs reward mechanic. Instead of fixing things are broke, they are concentrating on PVP balance? There are a whole slew of, what I would classify as "critical" areas of the game that need to be addressed. Things that are obviously "broken". Things that need to be fixed/addressed or they will start losing players (actually, they allready have started to lose players...). But instead of this, they "hotfix" for PVP? And even then, their "fixes" display a complete lack of understanding of their own game. My raid group can clear to Atheon without a single death, but we routinely wipe on Atheon because: 1.) The closest person gets teleported into the time gate 2.) The closest, the person that jumped and the furthest person get teleported into the time gate. 3.) When leaving the time gates you get placed on the wrong side and killed by Atheon/Harpies. 4.) When leaving the time gate you get placed at the wrong time gate and killed by Atheon/Harpies.. 5.) When leaving the time gate, you don't actually leave and are stuck. Beating Atheon (for us), isn't a matter of executing the mechanics of the fight properly, but recovering as quickly as possible after the encounter bugs out, and hoping it only glitches once. The reward for [i]effort / time invested / risk[/i] is another big issue that affects every aspect of the game. The "Loot Caves" were an issue because it was the most direct "Effort vs Reward" payout in the game and was (oddly) one of the most social aspects of the game. Right now, the only "Rewards" in the game are gained via a random number generator, with the exception of 5 exotic bounties. But even those exotic bounties are gained via a RNG. (Oddly enough, I've gotten the same 3 bounties offered 13 times now...) What exactly is going to keep players playing the game if the only way to progress through the content past a certain point requires us to acquire gear, if the only way to acquire said gear is through complete randomness? But no. It's more important that Bungie Hotfixes PVP by nerfing the f*** out of PVE gear. Even the nerfs display a complete lack of understanding of their own game. Thanks to the Iron Banner (that isn't what it says it is, lol normalization...) I've been encountering players with the Vex Mythoclast a lot. It sucks getting 4-shot by by someone with the vex and dying. But really, with few exceptions (scout rifles?) Time-To-Kill is about on par with all of the primary weapons save the [b]Universal Remote[/b]. Incidentally the Suros Regime when ADS does comparable damage to the Mythoclast; the difference is the rate of fire (and magazine size...).[/quote]TLDR

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  • Don't you mean TLCR, Too long,can't read.

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  • [quote]Don't you mean TLCR, Too long,can't read.[/quote]no sir I can read and comprehend text based stories/opinions etc at a Kindergarten reading level. Wilst thou comest at me bretheren?

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  • Ok,lol.

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  • This asshole ^ "TLDR". Why even -blam!-ing comment then?! Can't handle anything of substance in your life? Can't even spell out the fact that you thought it was "too long [and you] didn't read". These -blam!-in guys I swear. I really hope you don't have a job. -blam!-ing idiot. Else, your employer must be dumber than you. Get outta here! As for the original post, thank you and well said. . .

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  • [quote]This asshole ^ "TLDR". Why even -blam!-ing comment then?! Can't handle anything of substance in your life? Can't even spell out the fact that you thought it was "too long [and you] didn't read". These -blam!-in guys I swear. I really hope you don't have a job. -blam!-ing idiot. Else, your employer must be dumber than you. Get outta here! As for the original post, thank you and well said. . .[/quote]I comment because I can it is my 1st Amendment right in the constitution "Freedom of Speech" and TLDR is Too long, didnt read. I have no use of the extra text because it serves no purpose. I also did not recall asking your opinion about me not reading his post. I must have been mistaken :) my bad

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  • You really are -blam!-ing stupid aren't you? Based on your logic, then you, me, and everyone else must also assume that the OP was also not asking for yours nor anyone else's opinions either. Although, based on your logic once more, "I comment because I can it is my 1st Amendment right in the constitution. . .". LOL. So back at cha on that bullshit ;) But if you really wanted to get technical, then no, you'd be impressively wrong again. "Free Speech" wouldn't apply here you -blam!-ing child. This website, forum, etc. is owned by a private company. Thus, they can choose who does and does not post, what does and does not post, what u can and cannot say, etc. Did you not "agree" to a contract (for better or worse) when creating a profile. Gah! But why would I or anyone else for that matter expect someone with the caliber of skipping over a forum, dropping a "TLDR", and leaving just as promptly as u -blam!-in arrived to ever understand, well, even him or herself?!? You're a -blam!-in idiot. Good riddance to your existence. Wise up.

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  • Edited by THG Scrandy One: 10/14/2014 8:16:13 PM
    [quote]You really are -blam!-ing stupid aren't you? Based on your logic, then you, me, and everyone else must also assume that the OP was also not asking for yours nor anyone else's opinions either. Although, based on your logic once more, "I comment because I can it is my 1st Amendment right in the constitution. . .". LOL. So back at cha on that bullshit ;) But if you really wanted to get technical, then no, you'd be impressively wrong again. "Free Speech" wouldn't apply here you -blam!-ing child. This website, forum, etc. is owned by a private company. Thus, they can choose who does and does not post, what does and does not post, what u can and cannot say, etc. Did you not "agree" to a contract (for better or worse) when creating a profile. Gah! But why would I or anyone else for that matter expect someone with the caliber of skipping over a forum, dropping a "TLDR", and leaving just as promptly as u -blam!-in arrived to ever understand, well, even him or herself?!? You're a -blam!-in idiot. Good riddance to your existence. Wise up.[/quote]i didnt give an opinion i made a statement also i dont understand your logic i did not break the TOS/COC so everything you are saying is meaningless. By "freedom of speech i simply meant that i dont need your approval to make a statement on a post.

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  • You're just throwing in meaningless bullshit for practically no reason. Blah blah blah it's my freedom of speech wine, wine, bitch, moan. No one said u broke any damn rules. Your arguments are just simply misdirected, and you're increasingly proving your stupidity. Your "freedom of speech" does not permit you to comment here. The FACT (which is how u derive whether something is a STATEMENT or OPINION; by determining if what was said may be proven true (also known as a "fact") or false = a statement. Otherwise it's just an opinion) that you signed up w Bungie and they have determined that u continue to follow their rules and guidelines allows u to continue your "speech" here. . . Look, this is all meaningless just like your -blam!-ing original comment here, "TLDR", which is just as stupid and exemplary as everything else you've said. You're a troll plain and simple. So what is it? Do u simply just want people to know how long their posts are and further explain that was why u never read them? Awww gee well I'm sure the OP and everyone else really appreciated your thoughtful contribution. They were probably just waiting for you to give the approval of the length and number of characters of the post. [spoiler]You are useless[/spoiler]

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  • I find it TREMENDOUSLY hilarious that you are still whining about a post from 2 days ago. I have a few steps for you. 1 Grow up 2 Quit bitiching Very very simple steps however i do feel as though you will find some way to type a book about how you dont like this comment.

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  • Nah it's just u. Hoping stifle the infection

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  • What?! No paragraph?? My little troll is finally growing up (: awww

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  • -blam!-ing hypocrite

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  • Nah nah don't try that BS. Troll?! Lol. Reference your first post. Enough said

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  • Nah nah see you arent typing paragraphs anymore. Way to take advice from the smart guy![spoiler]thats me ;)[/spoiler]

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  • Lololololololol u mean the idiot? I've thoroughly made my points, extensive only to leave no doubt or questions to my stance. Ignorance is fixable. As for you, well, you can't fix stupid. So if u cannot comprehend at this point, there's no hope

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  • The reason I "don't comprehend" is because I have no desire nor reason to care what you are saying. So keep yapping away on this forum and I will continue to just sit back and laugh at everything you say because I think it is funny that you can get all worked up over 4 letters.

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  • LOL

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  • Edited by THG Scrandy One: 10/17/2014 3:21:44 AM
    [quote]LOL[/quote] see now ya get it SOMEBODY GET THIS DUDE A TROPHY

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  • No I find true enjoyment in this as well. :)) I've helped turn a perceived imbecile into a conversing, contributing being. I mean there was actually some dialogue there. Good job ;)

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  • Potato?

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  • So the fact that you are still here makes you an idiot. Trolling is intended to upset someone for laughs and see their hilarious reactions. By continuously reacting you are doing nothing more than making me laugh. I gain enjoyment from it while you waste time talking to someone who isnt being serious. So honestly the real "idiot" here is you because while you can go on and on with your incessant bitching I get to sit back and laugh at you and ponder why you keep attemting to uplift yourself on a gaming forum.

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  • Just because you made a statement, that does not mean that it was not also your opinion (they are not mutually exclusive).

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