Time to download Heroes of Newarth? Hahaha But yeah no matter how badly you're owning in a 4v5, if games get stretched out that long, then everyone will achieve full build and the team with more players will win. EDIT: how did you guys manage to log on last night? EDIT 2: suns your final build is nice, but it is too heavily focused on armor. An AP carry would likely shred through your 4000 health quite quickly. Instead of getting randuins omen, you could Try and grab a force of nature. Gives you insane health regen (works with your passive pretty awesomely), tons of MR, and a sweet movement speed boost. That would round out your build nicely. [Edited on 06.23.2012 7:37 AM PDT]