[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quickstrike NC I don't care about win/loss in normal games that much. It matters and Id like to win, but as long as we're not losing in ranked I'm cool.conce everyone hits 30 it's about to get serious. I'm referring to how TJ won't play with us because he is tired of losing, like playing with the lower level guys is going to make him lose. [/quote] I think the bigger problem is flexibility. McG and Suns both like to use just one champion atm, and it DOES reduce the amount of good team comps we can do. If our top lane is always Garen, it means we won't have a Shen, Vlad, Irelia, whatever on the team. Gavin as Janna is the same thing, although it's not as bad I think due to the smaller number of support options and that the two best are Janna/Soraka. I know I've been attempting to branch out to other roles such as AD Carry, and if Suns and Gavin can find characters at other positions that would fit there style, it would be good to try out. I feel like Suns could play a mean Shyvana in jungle if he got to try her out. No mana which he likes, and jungle seems like something he would do quite well once he had some time with it. Or an AP Carry, although the ones without mana are few. Kennen maybe?