However, that's all that makes it competitive. Without that it would be a slower firing NL Shadow. No-one would use it. Who would use a 5 shot, slightly faster hung jury? [spoiler]It has a closer base RoF to hung jury than NL shadow.[/spoiler] I actually meant to include that in the last post, but my house blew a fuse so I had to redo the entire post in the matter of 2 minutes. Lost the majority of the argument I had there. [spoiler]Look, if we didn't have all these streamers and youtubers going on about "how beastly" the MIDA was in y1 (Lets be real here, they almost ONLY used TLW and thorn during y1) when they heard that it was being brought forward, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Only when it became mainstream did people complain about it. Even bungie said they were only nerfing it because "It was creating frustrating fights" (Paraphrased, but the gist of why they did it.). Going to go all hipster now, but I honestly used MIDA a ton in y1. Far more than my thorn and TLW kills combined. I could even prove it to you if Destiny tracker still showed individual gun stats.[/spoiler] Edit: I love to discuss this sort of thing, but may we continue this later in the day? It is incredibly late where I live and I have to work in the morning. I hope you understand.