And where do you get your numbers from? Or are you just spouting generalizations without actually looking into what you're talking about? The titan has one of the original gunslinger grenades, with one key difference... When the gunslinger uses it it does not kill another with just the nade alone, it only brings their health down. When a titan uses it, it has the ability to kill the enemy player without any other damage received but the nade. With the right perk equipped titans can one hit melee (not the super perk but just a regular melee) New hunter nades only work when the target stays in one place. AoE. The "melee" does not do nearly as much damage as any of the other sub classes. The tether is delayed sightly as it hits it's target (the effect takes time to tether so more often than not I'm killed waiting for my target to be tethered.