I have and to be honest, two players of equal skill will usually get a kill trade. There are other decent weapons but i refer to my previous point. [quote]Whether it's OP or not isn't the point, the point is about 70% of people in the crucible use it exclusively. When a gun is that popular there's obviously something about it that makes it worth using over every other gun and Bungie has said they don't want any one weapon to be the obvious choice, which to be honest atm, Thorn is.[/quote]