I don't use thorn often only when the whole other team uses it in trials that's it I'll be glad when they nerf thorn. Vex is strong I mean what do you want a 2 shot kill like it use to be and the nerf from was yesterday was accidental they'll restore it in another patch like before. A shitty nerf is what happened to queen breakers bow by accident. The thing will randomly shoot off a whole mag in one shot lol.