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6/4/2015 7:03:26 AM
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Other than your obviously bias poll answers, it shouldn't be Nerfed because there are plenty of counters to it. It very well may be easy to use but, as an average PvP player, I don't have trouble killing people using it and I don't use it.
Just because people find it easy to use, many people will use it.
If for some reason it gets Nerfed people will move on to the next best thing. Then nerf threads about that weapon will pop up like thorn threads.
Most people cry for nerf because they get killed by some weapon, well guess what, you will still get killed with the next weapon.
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Well said
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Tlw is next lol. People are so worried about thorn and don't realize tlw is by far the superior hand cannon.
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Nice try dredgen, now get back in the ground! :P
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But that's the problem, there aren't too many counters!
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Edited by Dredgen Yor: 6/4/2015 2:11:09 PMRed Death Suros Over shields Armor Supers Taking cover Picking up orbs All have the abilities to stop the burn if spec right. Then there is being better at gun play.
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SUROS? Really? LOL! It's TTK is not even close to being on par with Thorn's!
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You said there isn't many counters. I gave you a lot of counters.
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(-_-)
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Yeah there are.
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-Red Death -Hawkmoon -The Last Word Yeah maybe, but Bungie can't tell the difference between "popular" and "OP" LOL!
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Edited by Cour8ois: 6/4/2015 7:50:15 AMYou make a good point here, intended or not intended. In general you have 2 types of players... The number 1 group: Players who like a specific weapontype for the feel of it and use it alot but also try other guns all the time. The number 2 group: Players who just use the best weapon in terms of damage and control. If and when the Thorn is nerfded they just google and find the next best weapon. untill this gets a nerf again....its an endless loop...lets call this group the Grasshoppers, they always go where the grass is greenest. Mainly for this I kinda feel sorry for the autorifle nerf....I really like using them, or used to use them. I still use them in pve because its the weapon designed for all round situations from close to mid-range use. The TTK is a bit longer...but who cares in pve about that. . And for pvp its just horrible now. The only reason for the nerf was that too many people where using them and the pulse rifles for example were underused. But who used the auto rifles? The number 1 and 2 group. who swapped the handcanons now? The grasshoppers!!! Who got the stick? the group who accutally likes playing with the auto rifle. I think Bungie would like to see 25% distribution between the 4 primary weapon types. This is a noble goal and would be best for the game tbh. But the method used now will not further this goal. After the handcanon nerf the grasshoppers will move along.....maybe testing weapon ballance more can eliminate a lot af this hopping. Again the people who play pvp with many different weapons are not the problem here...people who find the best weapon and only use it are the "problem". The only way the negate this to create a better ballance beween weapons en weapon types so more diversity in pvp will emerge just my 2 cents
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Agreed, mob mentality will always drive a large group of players to the same load out.
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Why is it biased? Can u think of any other reasons
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How about because it's fine the way it is.
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I think it is balanced ??
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Think in quotations, implying that it's not.
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It's not balanced
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Your opinion, hence why you made a bias poll. I think it's fine.
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If you look at the stats it's not by a mile. Average ttk is around one second. Thorns is 0.3
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The last word can go as low as 0,28 seconds. Miles ahead of other weapons.
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Link those stats.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/htmlview?pli=1
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Edited by Dredgen Yor: 6/4/2015 2:27:39 PMThat's a nice spread sheet, but it doesn't seem all that official. Here is a quote from the guy who made the spread sheet. "Keep in mind you will possibly never witness this statistic being accurately portrayed in-game. This game has heavy amount of latency issues, as well as peer-to-peer connection and runs 30 frames per second."
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Your stats show that tlw is by far a superior handcannon to thorn. Also hardly anybody lands the two crits required for a quick kill with thorn. Almost nobody ever hits me with thorn twice because there is this thing in games called cover. Lastly these stats were compiled by some random player, prove to me they are completely unbiased.
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They are unbiased because they are done with math. It's not like you can round the numbers however you feel like. You get the rate of fire and damage from simple field tests and then you calculate the rest. Aim assist is from data mining.
