Easiest solution is to take off DoT when in PVP, same as Red Death(Remove health regen) Then Crucible is balanced, it's balanced now cause everyone is using them. A fireteam of me plus randoms owned a clan yesterday, 1st game they came out guns blazing 2xVex, 2xThorn, 1 Red Death and Blinker not grabbing zones with Last Word. I think most of us was testing guns out cause not Thorn was fired from my team. Took us all by surprise at first but we regrouped and beat them. After that we all must have thought the same thing and all switched to OP..................We destroyed them 3 games in a row until they left. Oh how we laughed :)