What the -blam!- do you expect people to use? Seriously people like you baffle me. That's the point of iron banner using the best guns to take people out. Not our fault you don't grind hard enough In pve to get the best shit or do the thorn bounty. It's not like those guns just drop doing easy shit. To get thorn it takes work to get vex it takes a little work and luck. Like dude are you serious.