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Edited by Nuqrs: 9/23/2014 1:47:13 AM
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Evidence of "Dark Traveler Theory" - Is the Traveler evil?

The Traveler supposedly saved our worlds, sacrificed itself only for our benefit. But is this really the truth? Do we have any infallible evidence to prove this? We, at Binary Star Cult, do have a theory. We believe the Traveler may not be as "holy" as it is made out to be. It may have acted only in selfish reasons, or even in malicious ones. It could have brought the Darkness to our doorstep intentionally, or it could even BE the Darkness. However, you may ask yourself, how can this theory be any more correct than the one that states the goodness of the Traveler? The answer is: we have evidence. Or at least, we will. This is why this thread is being posted, to find, collect, and analyze the evidence of this theory. I will start it off with a piece of evidence below, from a ghost fragment. This thread is public. Anyone can put their facts or suspicions here. Don't be afraid to speak your mind. The smallest detail you may have could be the key to this entire theory. Although we firmly believe in this theory, we do not want to be blind like some of the followers of the Traveler. If you have any piece of evidence against this theory, if you still believe the Traveler is pure, please, tell us. If we cannot challenge and refute your hypotheses, then how valid are ours? Nevertheless, as promised, here is a bit of confirmation for the theory. Source: [url=http://destiny.gamepedia.com/Ghost_Fragment:_The_Traveler_2]Ghost Fragment: The Traveler 2[/url] This Grimoire card is a brief passage from "Dreams of Alpha Lupi." It says: [quote]"This has been such a long chase. This will be the place you will fight. Fight and win. But do you really know why you go where you go, and where this journey is taking you? The chase leads you where you need to be, you believe. Unless...you are being pushed."[/quote] The final line is the key to this evidence. It questions the whole nature of our quest to revive the Traveler. It is not a particularly strong piece of evidence, but we will find more. We will find out the truth about the Traveler. We will find out if I will ever stop speaking like some kind of holy priest giving a sermon. Please, contribute to this theory, not to support any faction or cult, but to support every player of Destiny by discovering the truth.

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  • Edited by Gundred: 9/10/2018 9:50:25 PM
    I always thought that most of those chasing the traveller (the so called "darkness") were previously uplifted races/fallout from previously uplifted races. The Fallen are somewhat greedy and reckless and much of what they make seems to be kind of ad hoc (destiny 2 has a mission where they are making an explosive to kill the hive and your ghost comments about how sloppy it is) once uplifted they continued this way and divided into competitive houses so the traveller abandoned them. Being the way they are they won't stop until they get it back or get as many pieces as possible back. The Cabal once uplifted destroyed and conquered throughout the galaxy and this is why the Traveller abandoned them. They're mentality of conquest has them follow the traveller to use it again, and to conquer any new systems it finds. The Vex are machines made by an uplifted race not unlike the War Minds or the Exo except something went wrong and they wiped out their creators or once the Traveller left their creators race they were sent to pursue it for them. The Hive is made mention of coming from a different dimension and crossed into ours when barriers between the 2 weakened or overlapped can't 100% remember but that may have happened as a result of an uplifted races reckless experimentation with new tech destroying them when the hive poured into their world and the Hive now wanting to corrupt the power of the traveller for their own use

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  • The traveler is evil, didn’t it say that traveler travels the universe and give the civilization it choose the leap it need to reach the stars ? And then that “darkness” follows it and destroys everything it touches? What if the traveler is like Satan, it will give you everything you ever wanted at a cost?

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  • Grimoire cards darkness, ghost fragment: rasputin 5, and variks, the loyal. You're welcome

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    • I believe that the traveller has done bad things, but this doesn't mean it's necessarily evil, but just a bad reputation. Maybe it tries to help and just fails. Nevertheless, the darkness is still evil. Fallen- A race of scavengers and fight anything in its way. Hive- race of warshipers that will follow its leaders. Pure evil Vex- programmed to kill and careless. Cabal- an army on a conquest to capture many planets too expand life. So even if we do not agree with the traveller. To fight off the darkness, we need it just as much as it needs us.

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    • Did the Vex create the Traveler?

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      • Actually, if you watched the Game Theorists video, it states a clear solid theory of why the Traveler is evil. For one: A clip of a player playing a mission on the Earth shows a Fallen Dreg fleeing from the player, shouting a very distinct word: "Darkness" The Fallen Dreg shouted the word until the Fallen was killed, which sparked some uncertainty. Secondly, A Grimoire card shows a Guardian Hunter entering the Gardens and reaching for a Ghost-shaped flower. WHen the flower pricked him and drew blood, the Ghost said "This is a place of life. You are the Darkness, an undying evil" (not the qutoes but close enough) The hand drew blood from the puncture wound and hasn't healed since the Guardian left the Garden. During the Beta playing, one of the few players who tested it spilled the beans. The player stated that the Traveler was portrayed to be a figure you could not trust. Zavalla, and the other Vanguard give the Traveler out to be a selfish machine that doesn't want help but is out for its own interests. Shortly thereafter, the game was changed to portray the Traveler as a etheral God of some sort that saved the Universe. Bungie as said earlier, changed the minor points of the storyline due to the leaked gameplay and evidence. I mean, who would want to spoi the surprise. There is a full theory on the Game Theorists channel, so be sure to check it out at the link below: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwijutjR3fLKAhUCKB4KHZcXDW0QyCkIIDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DY5NbEjkkPlI&usg=AFQjCNEpimTdxUaymGoJgQ78OJiB_9P2IQ&bvm=bv.114195076,d.dmo

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      • Maybe there is not necessarily a good or bad in the universe. Take a look at our enemies they use very similar forces just like us, such as solar, arc, and void. Maybe what we call light and dark are just two sides of the same coin that we choose to call good. We just call it darkness because its being used by other races to harm us. For all we know the darkness could be the same race as the traveler and they are now fighting each other for unknown reasons. But I guess only time will tell the truth.

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      • Edited by Dwuf: 6/6/2016 5:05:22 AM
        Astounding theory,

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        Legends: The Black Garden “You are a dead thing, made by a dead power, shaped from the dead. All you will ever do is kill” Guardians=Zombies Illuminati Confirmed 2016 (I swear bungie, if you make a raid having the final boss being the traveler......)

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        • The black garden is inside the traveler! No proof at all.

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        • Who the blam necrobumped this?!

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        • I've always seen the overarching Lore theme not as 'are we bad', but as 'Is there a universal good at all?' Essentially the lore as it stands poses the Destiny universe as a giant existential nihilist question.

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        • Ready to have your mind blown? The names of the hive. ( acolyte, knight , wizard ) all regal names associate with holy things. Guardian names now.( warlock , titan , hunter) associated with dark magic , destruction , and killing.

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          • I would like to be able to chose a side! In te game I mean. Now I just wanna go out there and kill Vex only XD

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          • Traveler raid year 10, I'm calling it

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            • So I don't mean to brag but I seriously figured it out. Of all the species, it is most clear that the Fallen have previously interacted with and been "on the side of" the traveler, from variks dialogue and grimore. What is not clear is why they left their own system and chased the traveler here; variks says "The Great Machine resides with your House. Do you think it will stay?" suggesting the traveler may intend to leave us as it did them, meaning the answer to the Travelers next move is in the past. Now, here is something that nobody is focusing on in this game: souls exist. we know from the grimore that the white steam that leaves Fallen after they die is "their soul escaping the body." We know that certain hive enemies, namely Crota, remain in a limbo-like soul form and can linger on after death. Now here's the BIG KICKER: we know that AT LEAST the hive and the Fallen can REVIVE these souls / restore their bodies (Crota, the Archon Priest where they are "trying to restore its soul!" (rip)) SOUND FAMILIAR?!?!?! If your lightbulb hasn't gone off yet, let me spell it out: this is the power that the traveler has given humanity in the form of the Guardians; the ability to reanimate the dead. so lets assume that the traveler gave the same power to the Fallen for a minute, since we know it did something similar to their civilization as ours. Now, I started listening to as much variks dialogue as I could and I started noticing A TON of suggestions that the Fallen had their own version of ghosts and guardians when the Traveler was in their possession!!! -"Listen long enough and you will hear stories of great Eliksni heroes. When the Great Machine was still with us." (HFS!!!) -"Does the Great Machine speak to you, as it did to me?" -"We are friends, yes Guardian? Give me your Ghost. / Guardian, come here. I want to see your Ghost." Aside from the wonderful idea that Variks is an ex-guardian, this makes us look at the current situation as a repeat of the past. Sooo what happened to the Fallen's home? Why did they leave? Why would we leave if we had to? Because of the oppressive aliens pursuing our Traveler overcome us, and the traveler runs off to another race to bless with ghosts and the gift of ETERNAL LIFE, electing that race it's new champions. OBVIOUSLY we would chase after it if it left, along with our ghosts. which is what the fallen are doing. so what drove traveler away from the fallen? The Hive. Now, the hive is the only other race we know had some form of contanct with the traveler since they were IN POSSESION OF A PEICE OF IT despite the fact that we know from the grimore that the darkness has "searched for weaknesses" but has not yet breached the city, meaning they must have acquired it before it made the move to tower.... I'm just going to assume this happened ages ago instead of before humans discovered it on mars. It seems likely that the Traveler was "theirs" before the Fallen's and thus we could safely assume they pursued it on the Fallen world, and THUS assume they were the threat that drove out the traveler! We see they have this shard in that one mission where we discover they are using it to try at "Draining the Traveler of its Light" (!!!), and from this we can infer that they were attempting to reclaim whatever power the traveler gave to and then took from them when it left. maybe the cabal were before the hive, maybe some other race that got exterminated by the hive defending the traveler with their own immortal warriors. who knows. THANK YOU for reading this far. FINAL PEICE: Im not entirely sure on this one. I'd love some fresh thoughts on it, but: I think the Traveler is some rouge agent of / mirror double to / dark or contradictory VEX entity. EVIDENCE: -The Great Machine implies it is mechanical, but it's decidedly sentient - The Vex are the only race who pursue it and attempt to wipe it out despite needing no reviving powers from it -Off of that, THE VEX ALREADY HAVE reviving powers, and an explaination for them!! the Restorative Mind strike tells us a lot: the vex can BRING BACK fallen beings by BRIDGING TIME through multiple timelines What if the Traveler is using this same power to gain the allegiance of different races trying to obtain a seperate power from this vex all-timeline-all-worlds utopia, but saw the situation spiral out of control as various alien races began to turn on it? What if this whole OBVIOUS hinting at multiple timelines / time looping in the game is because YOUR GHOST IS PULLING DIFFERENT YOUS FROM DIFFERENT TIMELINES LIKE THE VEX??!?!

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              • Someone told me that Alpha Lupi is one of the traveller's names. In this case this is conveying that the Traveller itself feels like it's being pushed by its pursuers. Personally I think the Traveller seeds light into sapient races and they grow reaching a golden age. people with light have it grow within them, and after people die the Traveller pulls the light back in. Sort of a symbiotic relation. People have found that in the grimoire that when Rasputin detected the Darkness it deleted its morals and had only one goal left; to win at any cost. Rasputin then allowed for almost all humans to be wiped out, if what I said above is true then this would give the Traveller tremendous amounts of light, but other cards hint that the Traveller tried to escape, and Rasputin crippled it to prevent this from happening. Perhaps the Traveller thought the battle was impossible and decided to go out and find a new civilisation to arm for the battle against the Darkness, idk. The Traveller after pushing back the Darkness then created ghosts, a new thing that gave people filled with substantial amounts of light the ability to come back from the dead.

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              • I like to think that the traveler is a weapon created by humans years ago and we used it on these other species planets/solar systems for our gain (humans are greedy -blam!-s). And now all these races are attacking back at us for what weve done, this also explains why guardians seem to have no memory of what happened before ( who wants to be told your the bad guy) and also why there are some exos and awoken that seem to be fighting for themselves or a seperate cause because why should they fight what we started (the stranger and the queen).And the darkness is kind of a physical and metaphorical manifestation of karma coming to set everything back into balance. Then all of this is revealed to be "the nines" doing as they are beings who thrive and love when species are at war which is why xur is selling us the weapons and gear to fight back against these odds we face. Yeah so pretty much traveler is a weapon, darness is balance, the nine is evil

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                • My theory Voyager probe landed on fallen home world when the traveler first arrived. Traveler had access to human DNA. As did the fallen. Traveler understood the messages. Location in space. So the Traveler planned to go to us next. But the hive having new advanced technology decided to try and clone us, but because of decay from age. They used parts of their own DNA to clone us creating the Hive explaining why we are so similar to the hive, and the grim. card about Toland saying he spoke with the wizard and it said we are the same. The first of the hive born from this became the top hive after making contact with the darkness. Which I think is force that corrupts further. Because our DNA was twisted and corrupted, by the fallen mistakenly, they gained more power. The hive quickly over ran the fallen. It would also expain why the Fallen and Cabal don't try to befriend us we are extremely geneticly similar to the hive. That is also the reason the traveler abandoned the fallen early because it knew from the data on the probe that we would be one of the only ones able to stop the hive. I have more but I'm tired and I don't think I'm making as much sense as I think I am.

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                  • Has anyone ever noticed that some of the stronger weapons [i]Legendaries and Exotics[/i]are other (dark) species weapons? And those weapons we use MUCH better than them? Like Murmur, Nechrocasm, Queenbreaker's Bow, Dreg's Promise, Lord of Wolves, and Vex Mythoclast. All based off of or are flat out other species weapons. Also the Sword of Crota, why do we swing it so much faster and better than knights? But that's just a theory. A game theroy! (Sorry)

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                  • The Game Theorists just recently made a video on this. You should check it out.

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                  • The theory of Traveler=Evil isn't fairly new but definitly posses some truth in it. Allow me to present a more grey-ish thoery. First we need to consider each specie we encounter as "factions", what I mean by faction is just the regroupment of individual or some can say "sides" even maybe alliances. In my opinion there is two main sides and several smaller ones. We have the Traveler and the Darkness which seem to be entities "helping" forms of life to progress in the universe. The Traveler appears to be a sort of "technology provider" and help species which are sufficiently developped to reach their full potential (if not, why bother waiting on Mars to be reached by three humans?) by providing marvels and new techs and biological advancements. The Darkness, in the other hand seems to prefer a more "brutal" way where selected species have to fight against other existing species in order to become stronger, wiser, and more advanced. It applies very well to the Hive which followed this kind of path according to Toland (There is a Grimoire Card describing the process, sorry for not providing it). The Darkness doesn't have a particular quarrel with the Traveler, it just follows its plan and sometimes those two philosophies collides. And Falls happen when it's the case. We only call it Darkness because it is aggresive toward us and the Traveler, that's just the name we put on it. According to the Grimoire and Variks, the Fallen were a specie helped by the Traveler in the past but when the Darkness came with its species (maybe the Hive), due to its more pacific side, the Traveler left (Kind of a Dickmove if I may say). The Fallen tried to fight against the Darkness but were finally forced to run. They decided to follow the Traveler in order to regain their power and maybe defeat the Darkness. Due to the travelling time and other unknown circumstances, they reached our system during our Fall. Since then, they want the Traveler back and think they have to prove they are worthy of the Traveler again (remember what I say about waiting to be found on Mars? Maybe that was when WE proven to be worthy). So, why the Traveler didn't runaway once again when the Darkness finally arrived in our system? We didn't let it go. More specifically, Rasputin and maybe the other Warminds used force against the Traveler in order to avoid its leave.(as far as the actual theory goes, Dickmove on our part) That's why the Traveler is so weak since the Fall, that's why he created the Guardians and the Ghost. Knowing that it'll not be able to leave in time, it created something to protect itself and make sure it can survive, and us with it by extension. And since the Fall we kept this kind mutual benefit situation until we can retaliate or push back the Darkness. All this means that Humanity and Fallen are more or less on the same "side", the Traveler's side but we just don't like each other or don't understand each other because, after all, we are different species with different ways to think. The Hive in the other hand seems to be the actual Darkness "champion" specie, the one it try to make evolve by "fire". But what about the Cabals? The Vex? I call them the Neutral Species or the Collateral species. The Cabals first, they're fleeing the Hive. It was not clear until the Taken King annoncement but in the Grimoire it's several times implied they are running away from something terrible. But they don't appear to be in relation with the Traveler either. Maybe they never crossed path with it or never proven to be worthy of it or whatever. They just are an alien specie which evolved by itself without be influenced by a "faction" and are currently trying to survive. They have now a particular interest in the Vex technology and/or the Black Garden maybe because it is sometime described as a place for protecting species? They also deeply want the Golden Age technology in order to retro-fit it and find a way to save themselves. The Vex are the most mysterious of all. We don't know when they appear, where and how. We just know that they can transform planets in machines, guard the Black Garden and are able to time travel. They were following their own agenda until the Darkness arrival. Here, I'm about to throw the most speculative part of my theory so brace yourselves. We know that the Darkness has interest in promising 'combative' species. What could be more interesting than a specie capable of time travel? So the Darkness invaded their 'home', the Black Garden and used its force to make them "workshipping" it. Maybe the Vex were following antoher goal like terraforming all the system like Mercury in order to totally be independant of Time, maybe the Vault of glass is a prison where the "rebels" against the Darkness are kept, who knows? But what is very strange is the form of the Heart in the Black Garden, a sort of moving shapeshifting orb which can sometime "look" like the Traveler. Hence, people saying that there is an "evil twin" Traveler or even that the Traveler is Evil in the future and such. But if you listen closely some of Variks lines in the Reef, one of it is "Would you like to hear the stories? The stories about the Shape Shifters?". Can it be the Darkness form? A shape shifting entity capable of deceiving other species? Shape shifting is a very good survival strategy, juste look at cephalopodes or cuttlefish. Here is an even more crazy theory: the Vex were tools/specie designed by the Traveler long time ago (for what? I don't know) and capable of time traveling. Upon its arrival, the Darkness discovered their existence and became interested in such a specie. It decided to "acquire" it by deceiving them and shape-shifted in a false Traveler. The Vex, seeing their "God" return, decide to obey and start following its instruction. You want a crazier theory? Here it comes: We beat the Hive in the future and the Darkness decides to find another specie to support/help and Oh look! the Vex! let's take control of them and travel back and forward in time in order to avoid the defeat of the Hive and hence, controlling two very powerful and advanced species! Fewwwww! Sorry for the long post and I appreciate every feedback about this theory.

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                    • If you stand by Eris and get past her ravings of Oryx and Crota she sometimes says "the Speaker is wise he sends others to fight his demons" what could that mean?

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                    • My own interpretation of the Traveler cards leads me to believe that it's a survivor. It may have built us up as a way of defending itself against the darkness. Though I feel the point is moot when one question comes to mind: why did the darkness leave? It is true that the Vex worship it and the Hive may channel it but why did the darkness itself leave? According to the second Darkness card it was a species ending event that entered our solar system. Our Golden Age ancestors didn't stand a chance, it's followers are here but where did the entity itself go? And why do the Nine (the closest things to the Darkness) stay at distance?

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