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If one person in the fireteam has the vex mythoclast on their person than it will not drop in hard
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Firestorm posted this and thought it was great and should be here on raid notes!! http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2nj8fy/hd_gorgon_labyrinth_map_d/[/quote]
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Here's a link to a nice guide I found that's not to overly complicated for Atheon http://guidescroll.com/2014/10/destiny-atheon-in-depth-guide/
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And here's a loot table guide to the VOG http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/704532-destiny/70364542
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I think pushing the templar is in general a bad idea because: a) It teaches no teamwork or co-ordination. b) It is supposed to be an opportunity for people to practice with the relic. c) Pushing him just to get a couple shards is lame d) We cannot guarantee that pushing him will never be fixed. I talk to tons of people who have no idea how to beat him legit. Would you rather teach people to do it once or twice? I personally would prefer not to have overgeared people who have no idea what they are doing. e) We cannot guarantee that future content will be that cheesable. c) its mind numbingly boring. I think maxing your weapons (and correct weapon choice) is more important for hard mode raid than being level 30 because: a)Math that I won't explain here b) It shows that someone put in effort into optimizing their character and didn't just get lucky pushing atheon off hard mode checkpoints.
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Awesome info! When is the next normal run?