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[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-china-religion-idUSBRE93K02D20130421?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews]Article:[/url]
[quote][b]China is struggling to get its estimated 100 million religious believers to banish superstitious beliefs about things like sickness and death, the country's top religious affairs official told a state-run newspaper.[/b]
Wang Zuoan, head of the State Administration of Religious Affairs, said there had been an explosion of religious belief in China along with the nation's economic boom, which he attributed to a desire for reassurance in an increasingly complex world.
While religion could be a force for good in officially atheist China, it was important to ensure people were not mislead, he told the Study Times, a newspaper published by the Central Party School which trains rising officials.
"For a ruling party which follows Marxism, we need to help people establish a correct world view and to scientifically deal with birth, ageing, sickness and death, as well as fortune and misfortune, via popularizing scientific knowledge," he said, in rare public comments on the government's religious policy.
"But we must realize that this is a long process and we need to be patient and work hard to achieve it," Wang added in the latest issue of the Study Times, which reached subscribers on Sunday.
"Religion has been around for a very long time, and if we rush to try to push for results and want to immediately 'liberate' people from the influence of religion, then it will have the opposite effect and push people in the opposite direction."
About half of China's religious followers are Christians or Muslims, with the other half Buddhists or Daoists, he said, admitting the real total number of believers was probably much higher than the official estimate of 100 million.
Wang did not address specific issues, such as what happens after the exiled spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism the Dalai Lama dies, testy relations with the Vatican or controls on Muslims in the restive Xinjiang region in the west.
Rights groups say that despite a constitutional guarantee of freedom of belief, the government exercises tight control, especially over Tibetans, Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang and Christians, many of whom worship in underground churches.
[b]"LURE FOR UNREST"[/b]
Beijing also takes a hard line on what it calls "evil cults", like banned spiritual group Falun Gong, who it accuses of spreading dangerous superstition.
Still, while religion was savagely repressed during the chaos of the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, the government has taken a much more relaxed approach since embarking on landmark economic reforms some three decades ago.
The ruling Communist Party, which values stability above all else, has even tried to co-opt religion in recent years as a force for social harmony in a country where few believe in communism any more.
China had avoided the religious extremism which happened in some places with the collapse of the Soviet Union or the religious problems seen with immigrants in Europe and the United States, Wang added, something to be proud of.
Still, China could not rest on its laurels.
"Religion basically upholds peace, reconciliation and harmony ... and can play its role in society," Wang said.
"But due to various complex factors, religion can become a lure for unrest and antagonism. Looking at the state of religion in the world today, we must be very clear on this point."[/quote]
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not just religion but how the hell are they supposed to do that superstition is part of the human mind and once they get rid of one another will probably take it's place
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I feel people have the right to believe whatever they want to believe no matter what it is.
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Edited by SecondClass: 4/23/2013 12:23:44 AM
Started a new topic: How ironic that it's now the Scientists persecuting the Church.(22 Replies))
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Short version: "Religious people believe in an authority higher than the Communist Party, thus the Party must dispel these beliefs to maintain control over the populace." Who's the opiate of the people now?
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This will help with China's horrible reputation for using rare animal products for phony medical purposes. China is the main importer of all kinds of endangered animal products. It's outrageous really.
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Are you guys seriously supporting this? So what if someone is religious? It barely affects them.
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Good news indeed! I just wish they'd focus on eliminating Christianity though.
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A noble cause on the surface I suppose. I disagree wholeheartedly with religious practices that endanger people in a tangible way (JW's refusing to do blood transfusions, orthodox circumcision, etc.), but I'd much rather those religions adapt themselves rather than be forced. All that does is create enmity and will create more division in China, which they certainly don't need.
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You see, even as an atheist, I say this is wrong. People should be able to choose freely in what they do or do not believe in. I see this as no different than the assholes in the American South that want to set Christianity as the state religion.
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Edited by Engineer: 4/22/2013 6:52:44 AMChina is a communist country (hardly in practice), so this isn't news to anyone who's had a history class. As for my opinion on the matter, I don't like it. Yeah, you're advocating rationality which subsequently leads to productivity in general, but you're stomping on people's freedoms and basically saying people of religion aren't productive which history shows isn't even remotely true. But we all know China couldn't care less about freedom when they incarcerate 99 percent of the people accused of a crime.
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The Chinese government should -blam!- off then.
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People seem to think that the Chinese National government does every little detail in their country, when it's really divided between national, provincial, and local levels of authority. People forget how god damn difficult it is to run a country with 1.2 BILLION people (and rising). From maintaing infrastructure to agriculture, it's a daunting responsibility. China's not perfect, but don't be fooled by the U.S. China Scapegoat tactic.
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So they gonna start banning Shark Fin Soup and the sale of ground Rhino horn?
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Well that'd be cool if we didn't know what sort of knowledge they'd like to promote.
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Edited by Ric_Adbur: 4/22/2013 1:45:40 AMThe good news is, people tend to start opposing oppressive regimes more when those regimes attempt to prohibit citizens' religions, or attempt to impose a single religion on everyone. The more they tighten their grip, the more the oppressed citizens will want to work against them. History has shown that, in the long run, totalitarianism is ultimately self-defeating.
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Edited by Florence: 4/21/2013 11:30:19 PMCan't the Chinese Government just not worry about deciding people's personal beliefs altogether? And what, exactly, is their government planning to do in order to ''liberate'' people from religion?
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Edited by Dustin: 4/21/2013 6:16:51 PMThat whole thing reminded me so much of Brave New World. Happiness conforms to the individual, not the other way around.[quote]The ruling Communist Party, which values stability above all else, has even tried to co-opt religion in recent years as a force for social harmony in a country where few believe in communism any more.[/quote]Right there, they are saying that they want to use religion to contain the population. Stability means a contained population; not freedom, not knowledge (unless it contributes towards a job), they want a functioning society, rather than functioning individuals.
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[quote]China had avoided the religious extremism which happened in some places with the collapse of the Soviet Union...[/quote] Funny, because Communist China's varying policy/relationship with religion sounds quite similar to the events and relationships the Soviet Union had with religious groups. Also, banning "dangerous sects" sounds like religious extremeism to me. That being said, even though my highest level course for my degree was all about communism, and that my paper in the class was about religion in a communist world, my professor warned me China was..."complicated" in this area. So fair enough, China. Fair enough.
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That's a little extreme, even for me.
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Ridiculous. Let people believe what they want to believe.
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A public education programme that eliminates such forms of misinformation in society is good for everyone.
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People should be free to believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else negatively So what if someone thinks angels or ghosts or whatever are real?
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Yet they still censor their internet. And the people have no say in what happens in their government. They're just doing the usual communist thing here, controlling their people. You're just putting a positive twist to the infringement of human rights, I hope you know this.
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Well, that's a good thing. If only Chinese would stop hunting rhinos to extinction to get their 'magical' rhino horn powers.
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China, the only nation in this world with sense....