originally posted in:Liberty Hub
Feminism: The advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
Honestly, at face value, feminism [i]appears[/i] to be something that a libertarian could support. We are, after all, strong supporters of upholding natural rights.
A lot of feminists (my girlfriend was certainly guilty of this in the past) may try to play on that idea. "How could you [i]not[/i] be a feminist? It's just the desire for equal rights." I wholeheartedly disagree with that idea, at least when we look at modern feminism.
Modern feminism is eerily similar to an organized religion. You have basic beliefs that reinforce the need for your ideology, such as the wage gap or allegedly rampant misogyny on social media. You have a hierarchy of sorts, headed by feminist saints. A modern "saint" would be Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. You even have fringe groups that split from the mainstream -- Protestant Feminists if you will. For example, some feminists refer to themselves as "trans-exclusionary," saying that a transgender woman is not truly a woman in feminism's eyes. This isn't necessarily why I'm not on board with feminism, but it certainly doesn't attract me to it.
No, modern feminism and Classical Liberalism (libertarianism) are not compatible because of a fundamental difference in how each ideology views a person. As a libertarian, I view people as individuals independent from one another. Another's actions bear no representation for you. You are not liable for the actions of others, generally speaking. Members of your race, gender, etc., have no bearing on you as a person, and their actions and beliefs do not reflect on you or your tendencies.
Modern feminism is different. It has clearly absorbed some Marxist class principles, which is evident in how feminism perceives people. To feminism, "women" are a class. "Men" are a class. Intersectional feminists take it further, identifying more classes and subclasses (think "trans women of color). The way feminists see it, interactions between individuals represent interactions between the classes. You are held at least partly responsible for the actions of your fellow class members.
A man steals a woman's purse. To a libertarian, one person has willfully deprived another person of their property, and has thus violated their rights. The identities of the subjects aren't relevant, nor are they indicative of how men behave around women's purses. To a feminist, a man has stolen a woman's purse. Identity matters. Not only is feminism likely to make the identities of the subjects relevant, but it will also view the action as an interaction between classes. For example, feminism will now be wary of how other men behave around purses, despite these other men having nothing to do with the crime. Gender also becomes an all-encompassing motive. Modern feminism tells us that the man stole the woman's purse, and that he was at least in part motivated by a hatred of women.
Don't believe that feminists define people as belonging to certain classes? Read the dictionary definition provided above. "Women's rights." To a libertarian, rights are inherent in all people. To a feminist, classes possess different rights. Specifically, there are "women's rights" as opposed to just "rights." Intersectional feminism takes it further. "Women's rights." "LGBT rights." "POC rights." "Trans rights." The list goes on and on. It's not how they define these rights that is important (although I do take issue with it), but rather that they make arbitrary class distinctions among people.
[b]TL;DR[/b] - Libertarians view people as independent individuals. Modern feminism views people as members of certain classes. It's this fundamental difference in the definition of an individual (among other things) that makes my worldview incompatible with feminism.
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Edited by Tartan 118: 5/31/2016 10:20:51 PMIt's like Maisie Williams said: either you're a feminist, or you're a sexist. My notifications are going to be stuffed like an old person after Xmas dinner tomorrow morning.
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Chivalry doesn't exist anymore because of feminism.
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It's equality for both genders! That's why it has feminine as the root word.
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I've stopped supporting Feminism, I just call myself an Equalist now
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I can respect real feminism where it's for plain and simple equality but the loud extremists seem to want everything they want to be well above anyone else's quality of life. I don't classify them as feminists as I refer to them as extremists. Besides, how can someone who wants equality laugh when a girl beats the shit out of a guy and then crucify a guy for defending himself from a girl?
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I think the idea of feminism is useless in today's society. I see where it could have been important in the past, but now it seems that everyone is pretty equal. Feminists are flipping their shit because they aren't equal to men when there is a woman running for president who is leading the Democratic party. It has me wondering what else they hope to accomplish.
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Feminism is for the poor sudanese women that are openly getting -blam!- or the middle eastern women with no rights not the rich english girl who was 'sexually harassed'
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Feminazis are a cancer that needs to be purged [spoiler]I am serious[/spoiler]
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Too much reading. Please describe this for me, use small words.
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Remember herd conformity is a sin. Be free my children.
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I honestly can't stand feminists. They all say "oh, we're not all like those feminiazis! They're just a small minority!" What they don't realize is that "small minority" is loud, large, and keeps getting bigger. What's worse is that feminiazis (and the "progressive left") are starting to become powerful, and get influence in our society.
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This hurt my brain in ways that I don't want to talk about
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I like the way you think.
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Technically females have more rights than males.
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I'm personally more of a IDon'tGiveAShitist.
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inb4anamoly
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Anyone here support white male rights?
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Why I'm not a feminist: I'm not retarded and understand logic.
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I believe in equality
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If this was the 60's, I'd support feminism. At that time it was about them getting equal rights. Now? It's about them wanting special privilege.
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Edited by Mangojoyride: 5/30/2016 3:51:01 AMPoop *Drop mic*
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Edited by Cyth: 5/30/2016 9:41:37 AMPeople keep pointing out a mistake in my OP, so: I'm an egalitarian Also [spoiler]If you want a good laugh, search feminist slam poetry on YouTube. It's bad.[/spoiler]
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Feminism is one of the most famous misnomers in the world- it's counterintuitive to say "I want Equality" then say "I'm a feminist" since the word "feminism" itself is in favour of women, and as you say it doesn't describe men's equality, LGBT equality, etc., just women. Liberalism is a better word but I think it's become a bit to political now with the Liberal Party of Canada, the Liberalism Party in the USA, the Liberal Democrats in the UK. Egalitarianism is a better word still, since it isn't limited to just gender (and it rolls of the tongue in a unique way). Another alternative, and it's a personal favourite, is Human.
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The real TL;DR: Modern feminists are the real sexists, and given power, would deny men the same rights they've been denied in the past. Same difference between M.L.K. Jr. and Black Lives Matter.
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I am a feminist because I believe all females are equal to males.
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Edited by Vilhelmus II: 5/29/2016 3:12:28 PMFeminism is the crusade to assert female dominance, masked as egalitarianism. This makes it particularly pernicious, as gullible people will often subscribe to this ridiculous, dogmatic ideology, that wishes to enforce fascism as a means to protect itself from scrutiny.