originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
“Is your Light bright enough to stand, even briefly, in full gaze of the Hive’s abyss? Can it handle what has died and been reborn in those shadows?”
- Necrochasm Girmoire Card
It’s been a few months, but the new AoT grimoire has brought me back. I originally posted this as a response in a separate thread, but wanted to make a post. I couldn’t convince Muzzy there but thought a more clearly stated position might help my cause.
The theory is that Rezyl Azzir’s (now confirmed to be Dredgen Yor) auto rifle is in fact the Necrochasm. As with most grimoire topics, this is a theory since grimoire doesn’t flat out confirm hardly anything (though thank you to Bungie for the Yor confirmation).
So with that, let’s understand what the Necrochasm grimoire says:
- It is a weapon of sorrow.
- It was “born in the twilight after Crota’s sword first cracked the Moon”
- It is a “lost Guardian’s weapon altered by the Hive in an attempt to fuse their own dark understanding with humanity’s mastery of war.”
In summary, it is a weapon of sorrow created by the Hive on the moon from a lost guardian’s weapon.
In the latest Rezyl Azzir card, Legend: Rezyl Azzir – The Triumphant Fall, Bungie did an interesting thing which is what prompted this theory:, they gave Rezyl’s auto rifle a name, Inferno.
We also know from this card, that Rezyl had a second weapon, a hand cannon named the Rose. The Rose then later being reborn as a Thorn, a weapon of sorrow, by Rezyl under the persona of Dredgen Yor.
So why give the gun a name? Bungie had issued three previous Rezyl cards, clearly showing him using his auto rifle repeatedly, but never assigned it a name.
In the latest Rezyl card, it is documented what happened to the Inferno:
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He gave a shrug and a shake, turned and hammered the stock hard into the side of one creature’s temple. Its skull splintered and the stock lodged deep in the wet, chalky mass beneath the bone. He made a fleeting effort to break the rifle free, but had to let it fall away as the rush of demons increased.
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So let’s go back to the criteria the necrochasm card established:
- A weapon of sorrow. There are only two officially established weapons of sorrow in grimoire. An auto rifle called necrochasm and a hand cannon called Thorn. We already know now that Thorn was Rezyl’s pistol (the Rose). And Rezyl’s other gun, an auto rifle named Inferno? Is it a stretch to consider that both of Rezyl’s named guns became the two known weapons of sorrow? Inferno matches the archetype (auto rifle). But it matches more than that
- It was born in the twilight, after Crota’s sword first crack the moon. From this we know whatever gun necrochasm was adapted from, it was located on the moon. Rezyl left Inferno on the moon, lodged in the skull of a hive enemy.
- It belonged to a lost Guardian. Well, Rezyl was a guardian.
- It was altered by the Hive. The Rezyl card establishes the last group in possession of the gun was in fact the Hive. There is also another important point by this statement, that the gun was altered by the Hive. Rezyl, then Yor, was killed by Shin long before the events on the moon with Crota when necrochasm was created. The fact that the necrochasm was transformed by the Hive, means it doesn’t matter whether the transformation occurred during Yor’s lifetime or not. It’s transformation was not done by him (unlike Thorn, which Yor himself did).
The other item tying the guns together is Xyor. Rezyl’s third card, Legends and Mysteries: Rezyl Azzir released with ROI, introduced Xyor into a grimoire card for the first time (and was seen by many as proof that Rezyl was indeed Yor before the latest card confirmed this). Before that, Xyor’s only appearance in Destiny was in the vanilla exotic quest to obtain Thorn. In Rezyl’s latest card, the witch who was following him is still present, putting Xyor at the scene when Inferno went missing.
Had bungie simply left Rezyl’s auto rifle unnamed, I would chalk it up was just one of many candidates. But, that Bungie thought to name the gun, in the same text that the also reveal the name of Rezyl’s other gun, linking it all to the weapons of sorrow, makes Inferno the most likely candidate to date. And that Rezyl’s location (the moon), losing the gun to the Hive, his other gun being one of the two weapons of sorrow, the correct archetype, all fit into the criteria established long before in the necrochasm grimoire card, leads me to believe that Inferno, much like the Rose to Thorn, is in fact necrochasm.
Edit: A couple posts said technically Inferno would be the husk, because our guardian transformed husk into necrochasm, which is correct. Since grimoire doesn't separate the "three" guns (husk/eidolon/necrochasm) and treats them as the same gun, I considered them the same as well.
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I really like this theory
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okay one thing that bothers me here is that the hive didn't make necrochasm. we did. the hive made the husk of the pit. the [u]pit[/u]. the fact that it says pit makes me feel like he lost inferno aka husk of the pit inside the abyss we know as the first part of crotas end raid especially since he lost it by bashing it into a skull(thralls also have very easy to hit skulls) and had to leave it because a swarm of "demons" as we all know the abyss is full of swarms of endless thralls which I would quickly think of as demons. and it would be fit that Azzir would be in the abyss as the darkness literally drowns all light out and I feel he had a certain hatred for the light after that night he transformed into Dredgen Yor. he calls it a crutch. I understand this was before crotas sword "split the moon" but whose to say that hole wasn't already there? lore doesn't deny that it was there I don't think. there was clearly already darkness there as Azzir gave into that darkness anakin style.
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Is necrocasm bugged? Got it today and the explosion perk doesn't work.
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They made husk of the pit, we made necrochasm. We grinded those bastard fist of crota and blade if crota for the auto rifle, grinded to level it, grinded for Eris rep and grinded for crux. Then it was shit anyway. Funny how the first guradian choose the shittist weapon class in the game.
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He probably crushed the skull of an ogre with hilt because the only way to get husk of the pot is from an ogre and they are enraged by wizards
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Edited by Aarchon_Priest: 3/30/2017 7:49:37 PM"Eternity is close, can you feel yourself slipping could be in direct relation to Rezzyl losing himself.
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I've been saying this for the longest time, good to see someone was able to bring attention to it.
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Dang it. I really wanted Jaren Ward to be Yor.
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You say there are only two WoS. What about Touch of Malice, Black Spindle, and Bad Juju?
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Edited by PopsAutismo: 3/30/2017 8:15:00 PMFrom what I'm gathering, he used an Auto Rifle as his Primary and a Hand Cannon as his Secondary. Seriously though, it's great to have closure by reading this card
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Edited by Lebkazoo: 3/30/2017 3:37:49 PMYou know... Except for the fact that... We sort of built Nechrochasm dude. I could believe it if it was Husk of The pit, but not Nechro.
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Seems like a great theory. Was glad to finally have Yor identified. My theory of pujari being yor has been debunked...damn
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Great theory. I'm probably wrong but wasn't bad juju also a weapon of sorrow?
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This is amazing! -Lord Shaxx
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Seems reasonable, but wouldn't the inferno technically be the husk of the pit? We turn the husk into the elidion ally, and later the nechrochasm.
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Xyor was also watching him as he killed the thrall and knight. So she could have taken the rifle
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You know, I like this hypothesis. Nice follow up too!
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Yes, Rezzyls auto is the nechrochasm, even though its only theory at this point it most definitely is the nechro.
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Loved it. Thx bro.
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Great theory.
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It's possible not a bad idea either I'd love it, but of course i love anything to do with the hive. Toland, Eris,and I would get along well. Toland for complete knowledge, Eris for their tactics, and me for the pure power and want that let's me kill and see those ashes float away....☺