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Dear Bungie, My Body Is Ready

This was originally going to be a comment in the "Dear Bungie, I Quit" thread, but it got way too long for that. Probably not the opinion people want to hear, but the level of entitlement in the Destiny community is astounding. This is coming from a long history of MMO-playing (started WoW 2 months after release, played till Cataclysm. Played multiple other MMOs casually over the years). The rate at which you expect content, good quality content, to be produced is absurd. So you no-lifed the game immediately upon release, hit 30 before all your friends, and now you just complain that the game isn't catering to the fact that you have spent 150-200 hours (6-8 24-hour-days of your life) in a little over a month to race to the level cap. The ridiculous amount of hype/expectations for the game didn't really come from Bungie, it came from online game review sites and from you, the community. You wanted WoW Mists of Pandaria raiding/quests, Guild Wars PvP, and the gunplay of Halo, all at release. You expected this game to be the most massive/best MMO/FPS that has ever been released, and so much of the community has resorted to rage circle-jerking the moment they found out this wasn't what the game was on release. When you base your entire opinion of a game on what the trailers show/look like, with a game of this scope, you are bound to be disappointed. When a game like this is announced as a long term project that will have content added and many, many patches over the years (like WoW), and yet you expect the finished product upon release, you are the one at fault, not Bungie. Take for example the constant complaint of Bungie "not letting you play the game the way you want" with nerfing loot farming areas, eliminating cheese-mode ridiculously easy raid strats, and taking away shard farming from Queen's Wrath. I'll start off by saying RNGesus is a bastard. He's a cold, hard, sonofabitch who couldn't give two shits about you, but occasionally tosses some loot your way, if he feels like it. But you know what? RNGesus has always been a bastard. Doesn't matter what game you are talking about, it has always been this way. In WoW, I raided for months, not the mere 5 weeks this game has been out, literally up to 4-5 months on some characters, and still never reached perfect gear on most of them. On top of the fact that you had to pray to RNGesus that the gear for your class even dropped, you then had to roll a random number between 1-100, and if some other Hunter/Mage/Warrior etc rolled a 71, and you rolled a 70, guess who got the loot? I went for weeks without even seeing the piece I needed drop, and then usually getting unlucky and rolling a 13 or something similar when it did. Sure, there were about 3 different raids worth doing every week, and I had one of each class at max level to do the content, but these raids were just as repetitive as VoG, and not hard at all. After doing it for a couple weeks, you knew exactly where to stand, what to avoid, when a boss was going into a different phase, and to not stand in fire. It became just another bragging rights contest of who could do the most DPS during the fight. Did having maxed gear and doing 30k DPS on Lich King mean you were more likely to get that last piece of purple gear you needed? Nope. RNGesus is a dick. First, loot farming areas like the Cave, Rocketyard, and all the other random spots people have found. Why did you expect these areas to stay the way they were? So you're unhappy with RNGesus, your blue engrams are turning into greens, your purple engrams are turning into blues, so you decide that since you want that top tier gear AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, you should just go to the cave where unlimited numbers of level 6 enemies spawn, and mindlessly shoot at them for hours on end. Your Cryptarch level is like 12+, he's even been handing you potential legendaries every level-up (key word: potential), and you've basically steered the game away from PvP/PvE, all in the name of "-blam!- you Bungie, you made me do this with your stupid drop rates". RNGesus is a bastard and he doesn't like you, man up. If a spot like this had been found in WoW, which would have been very unlikely given that mobs have loot tables, that shit would have been patched overnight, not in a week like Cave and Rocketyard. You got a whole free week to exploit the loot system, all because you didn't like that some level 20 noob got a legendary from a Crucible match and you got nothing, and then you have the nerve to say Bungie "isn't letting you play the game the way you want"? So you just want easy mode, no effort drops, all the time? Go to a pay2win game, they will gladly take your money so that you can buy the best gear in the game as soon as you can wear it. Next up, taking away your ability to cheese-mode what are expected to be the hardest fights in the game. Not much to say here, other than the fact that you figured out how to make a complicated, scripted boss fight so easy that you could bring level 25s along with your raid, have them dance on top of a pillar/throw themselves off the ledge at Atheon, and still beat the hardest bosses in the game, and even give them the potential to get the best gear in the game. At level 25. For this, I can admit its Bungie's fault. Those were unforeseen ways of beating bosses that Bungie didn't plan on, you exploited them as hard as possible while you had the chance, and then Bungie patched them so you couldn't continue to use them forever. Just like with the loot caves, it didn't even get hotfixed, you had plenty of time to use these strats, and you should have been expecting that this would happen all along. WoW boss fights didn't really have any exploits, and if they did, that shit was hotfixed in a matter of days, and the raid would often be locked until it was fixed. Consider yourselves lucky that you got to cheese-mode the hardest content in the game, probably undergeared for it, or carrying someone who was, for as long as you did. Finally, the Queen's Wrath shard nerf. Another pretty basic one, the missions weren't hard at all, and then you turned in tokens for guaranteed legendaries by farming the Cosmodrome bounty which took about 5 minutes to complete, and were getting the end-game gear currency for little-to-no effort. Oh no, they took away your ability to max out all your gear within a week, and probably still have shards left over for when you got gear from cheesing VoG bosses. So sad. This rant has been way too long, but this is stuff that has been building up in my head since basically week 2 of the game. I can't tell whether the vast vocal majority of the community is whiney, entitled children, or if everyone, even the people who remember the early days of MMO gaming, the bugs, the exploits, and overpowered classes, are just hopping on the rage-circlejerk-bandwagon. Take a step back, and look at what you are demanding from a game that has been out for a month. 1 month. In the meantime, I'm gonna go log into the game and continue to have fun killing all you 28+ players with my level 27s. Feel free to respond, cuss me out, downvote me, or in rare occasions, make a decent argument against what I have said. I encourage discussion, I'd like to hear your feedback, and I promise to keep it civil. See you in the Crucible! And hit me up on PS4: BottleOBrandy

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  • The first paragraph starts to bring the credibility of this downhill quick. [quote]Probably not the opinion people want to hear, but the level of entitlement in the Destiny community is astounding.[/quote] As consumers that bought a game that was marketed as an expansive story based action game with a deep plot, yes we are entitled. What the game delivers and what's described on the box in no way match and their is a lot owed to make up for that. Yet, they can't apparently even get basics dealt with. Things like connection issues with the KTO incidents and that's just to start. [quote]The ridiculous amount of hype/expectations for the game didn't really come from Bungie, it came from online game review sites and from you, the community.[/quote]This is also drastically off. This game has been marketed, again, as an expansive story based action game with a deep plot. They have hyped this to no end with almost exclusively pve content in every commercial spot they have pulled as well as claims about content and story from almost the get go. See the "Crow" scene that they had been showing almost since day one for one of the many examples. [quote]Take for example the constant complaint of Bungie "not letting you play the game the way you want" with nerfing loot farming areas, eliminating cheese-mode ridiculously easy raid strats, and taking away shard farming from Queen's Wrath. I'll start off by saying RNGesus is a bastard. He's a cold, hard, sonofabitch who couldn't give two shits about you, but occasionally tosses some loot your way, if he feels like it. But you know what? RNGesus has always been a bastard.[/quote] This is particularly a great example of what's wrong with the game as well as your described experience with WoW in getting the tier sets. RNG is hardly appropriate in use 100% of the time for any game. I started playing WoW not long after you apparently did. I know damned well that the higher you got in content the higher the tier of rewards that RNG had to select from. To that end, it wasn't entirely RNG. Difficulty was rewarded with higher grades of loot. As it stands, I've pulled more purples off of handing in engrams and drops in patrols than I have received as any kind of reward for Tiger Strikes. Literally the only piece of gear that I'm using that I didn't purchase through a vender is my rocket launcher and frankly, the vg one is still better. [quote]First, loot farming areas like the Cave, Rocketyard, and all the other random spots people have found. Why did you expect these areas to stay the way they were? So you're unhappy with RNGesus, your blue engrams are turning into greens, your purple engrams are turning into blues, so you decide that since you want that top tier gear AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, you should just go to the cave where unlimited numbers of level 6 enemies spawn, and mindlessly shoot at them for hours on end. Your Cryptarch level is like 12+, he's even been handing you potential legendaries every level-up (key word: potential), and you've basically steered the game away from PvP/PvE, all in the name of "-blam!- you Bungie, you made me do this with your stupid drop rates". RNGesus is a bastard and he doesn't like you, man up. If a spot like this had been found in WoW, which would have been very unlikely given that mobs have loot tables, that shit would have been patched overnight, not in a week like Cave and Rocketyard.[/quote]This entire claim is wrong in every basis. WoW has ALWAYS had open world mob exploit drops of serious quality items. They may not have been the highest of tiers, but many were close. WoW also had enough loot and variants to actually pad out the loot roster. Regardless, those loot exploits have been the reason why Chinese gold farmers and gear farmers have pretty much always been around in WoW. Many times you could outright finger characters as bots due to obvious scripting. Then we also have the issue of the gold farmers and outright blatant advertising their services as such in the middle of capitals next to auction houses. See such choreographed cheese like this that has been around as long as I can remember. http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2008/08/md-death-spam.jpg [quote]Next up, taking away your ability to cheese-mode what are expected to be the hardest fights in the game. Not much to say here, other than the fact that you figured out how to make a complicated, scripted boss fight so easy that you could bring level 25s along with your raid, have them dance on top of a pillar/throw themselves off the ledge at Atheon, and still beat the hardest bosses in the game, and even give them the potential to get the best gear in the game. At level 25. For this, I can admit its Bungie's fault. [/quote]Yeah, can't fault you here. No matter how you slice this one it's pretty absurd. [quote]Finally, the Queen's Wrath shard nerf. Another pretty basic one, the missions weren't hard at all, and then you turned in tokens for guaranteed legendaries by farming the Cosmodrome bounty which took about 5 minutes to complete, and were getting the end-game gear currency for little-to-no effort.[/quote]See, this one is just their incompetence. They set the rewards on that and they should have known very well and good that they shouldn't have been giving out purples for the rewards. With that also said, so what? Next week I'll be able to purchase three more armor pieces from vg and two from a pvp faction to break down for shards. Exactly how is that different other than working with different caps? That'll bring my shards up to about 10-13 for just next week and that's not even counting farming public events. Yanking the breakdown on the QW rewards did little more than remove an unnecessary time sink from a game that's little more than time sinks. The fact is that the game is poorly designed and implemented. Some of the most valuable rewards in the game have undergone nerfing for the sake of pvp. Pvp has also been the only point in the game to actually receive positive support and that's in a game that has more than a majority of content based on pve as well as future content. The RNG loot system could very well be fixed in a variety of ways and the pve climate needs drastic support in both story and mechanics.

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  • Your body is ready? You mean that pimply sack of prepubescent fat, and grease that you call a body? Face it, you're nothing but a glob of useless protoplasm. Such a waste of matter :/

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    • All I got to say is I agree with bottle

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    • Shut up, Meg.

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    • 13 year old with no job, who can't afford a new game confirmed.

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    • Blah blah blah blah Hey I'm on PS4 so none of this DLC stuff applies to me blah blah blah I enjoy being a lower level which is irrelevant in a game about levels LOLOLOL TL;DR zzzzzz

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    • [quote]The ridiculous amount of hype/expectations for the game didn't really come from Bungie, it came from online game review sites and from you, the community.[/quote] Stopped reading there- I don't care to read whatever else you have to say if you honestly think dev journals, game trailers/previews (with dev commentary) and Bungie press releases did not over-hype this game and encourage expectations out-of-line with what was released (yes, I know all things previewed were subject to change)- cannot blame the community and game sites for the content and commentary that Bungie put out For the record- I dont hate this game, I am disappointed thus far with what was released vs the potential we were shown pre-release, but I am still having enough fun to keep it in my rotation and give Bungie a chance to fix it-

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      • Edited by DanielKBoom: 11/2/2014 6:22:40 PM
        Your opinion, that's it. Here is mine. Who creates a game that you need parties to complete it, with no way of looking for those parties in the game? Bungie. There are so many flaws with this game. I can't list them all. The comm. sucks. No story/stories. I mentioned the no LFG tools in the game. How many currencies? How many mats of crap? All for what? Your answer? Wait and see? I truly believe we are paying test subjects in a on going beta. This game should be shut down and re-launched. They have great game mechanics and graphics. That's it. Nothing more. Let them finish this without us. You said you played MMOs. You pay a sub? Those games want you to continue to play. They make their money that way. They keep us entertained, we keep playing. I'm not entertained that much any more with this game. It is starting to annoy me and I bought the season pass up front. I will be leaving, I play FF14 ARR. On day one of that game. The content, the stories, the adventures. Blow this game away. The Dev's give the players feedback. They poll the players. I never saw that before. It was my first MMO. If you like this? Good. I'm not here to slam you. I have seen better. I don't like this. If we stand by and let them do this. Without speaking up. They or others will do it again. Good luck.

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      • This is my 2nd favorite post!

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      • +1 I like and know your arguments well. Good post. Of course, you play PS4, so you get more stuff than the rest of us anyway!

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      • You mention RNG and how wow had loot tables. Something as simple as this would be an improvement. Destinys form of RNG is atrocious. You also compare it to wow in terms of content..... Nm I don't have time to explain why I don't have time

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      • For me its mostly the content but ill just say story for now. The story is horrible, its so jumpy and random it makes me cringe. There isnt really a storyline to it its just go here destroy the sword. Go here and get info fom a database etc etc. bungie said that the story was gonna be amazing and its no where near even mediocre. This story is horrible. Now i would say that a big reason i bought this game was to see the universe of destiny and to see how the traveler and the guardians and the story all tie together. I would say im very disappointed that this game came out the way it did. U write a lot about the people who try to get as much things as possible who complain wen bungie patches the loot caves and watnot. But most people on here are complaining about the lack of content in destiny. Maybe bungie will take notice and make the game better, just like wat happened with mass effect, but if we the gamers dont voice our concerns on places like these forums then bungie will never take notice and destiny will never change!!!

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      • You sound really bitter that people don't like the game as much as you. Also the game was released with some major exploits and flaws by Bungie. When a game is showcased and hyped in the way it was by Bungie (again) gamers will feel hard done by when it falls well short of this. If you enjoy the game that's fine, Those who don't are just as valid and the sad thing is for Destiny they seem to be in majority.

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      • WoW didn't release a broke ass game. Destiny has been in development since halo 3 odst? That's a long time to deliver a story equal to what they throw into CoD in a year. Does the phrase Epic story mean much to you? How about become legend. Let me ask ya this guy, if you mop the floor in your kitchen everyday do you suddenly become a legend?

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      • This sounds more like a disgruntled developer mad at the constant complaints than a forum poster tired of said complaints.

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        • Bungie advertised this game as something it's not, however there is nothing we can do now to change that but I am disappointed in the overall content. I agree with you that atheon should have been patched as well as the loot cave. However Bungie needs to be taken to task on all the bugs their 500 million dollar game still has. Mostly focusing on the raid and connection issues. People have a right to be angry about this and are entitled to a complete and bug free game.

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        • You are not alone. I tell guys to calm themselves and wait all the time!

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        • Edited by VenomJoe66: 11/1/2014 9:38:52 PM
          THIS IS AMAZING! This became one of my favorite posts. THIS IS FEEDBACK. People need to man up and accept was this game WILL become a great game! They need to give it time. Thank you for doing what I wanted to do.

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        • I'm glad your comment turned into a thread. good read.

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        • Best post I've read In a while. Would love to game with you on xb1 but hey have fun on ps4.

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        • You realize from day one coding a loot drop system that only allows guardians within maybe 4-8 levels of the killed enemy to gain ANY drop from it would have completely negated the time wasted on "fixing" loot farming right? But you're right, we have no reason to complain at all. The weak storyline, failed promises of really any actual mmo elements and constant parade of errors should be ignored. /sarc

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        • All of this. Yes.

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        • the story was still weak. hoping for better content though. I do like the weekly updates that wow also had, but still the cinemas were weak. IGN's review hits it on the head

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