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Edited by Mar:
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i have 2 main things to say here, and please don't take this personally, its not pointed at YOU (OP) or the guy who made the video (its well done, even if it has a few inaccuracies)
1: coming from playing things like dark souls 1/2 and other games with "no story" or "extreamly stupid / bad/ badly told" stories, a story would have to be NONEXISTENT, or be just really, really, really ,really bad before i'd even start to say a company has 0 story telling ability
2: i really don't see why people complain so much about stuff like this in destiny, the souls community has done crap like this for YEARS now and only the people who barely understand the game whine about it constantly.
again not direct at you personally OP, but people could lay off a bit. and yeah they coulda done a better job telling the back story stuff but i've seen ALOT worse.
edit- the lack of reading comprehension is strong in a few people here
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Just because you have played games with "worse" stories than Destiny does not excuse developers who continue to release slap-dash story concepts as complete works or completely half-ass the entire narrative simply to charge for it in future DLC installments.
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Showing my age here, but compared to pong, this is awesome. If all you complainers had been around then, there prolly wouldn't be anything now. $100+ in 70's/80's dollars and it only played pong. At least nobody could whine about updates since there wasn't a way to do any.
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OF COURSE Destiny has a better story than anything from the 80s-90s, that's simply the natural progression and evolution of entertainment and technology. I was around then, so don't make it sound like today it's all sunshine and rainbows. You can't use that tired old excuse of "Back in my day" because that doesn't fly here. A developer that incorporates some slap-dash and half-assed story effort should not get a free pass because Pong exists. Things are much different than they were then, and people have come to expect more out of developers of entertainment. The bar has been greatly raised since the days of Pong, and making excuses for developers like Bungie only serves to perpetuate the hackneyed approach to story-telling in the gaming medium. So before we get into the debate over how much of a story "Kick the Can" had when compared to Destiny, try to get some modern perspective on the gaming industry as a whole, and try to understand why people are upset with the approach that so many developers are beginning to adopt in this new age of micro-transactions and premium priced DLC snippets in lieu of actual, meaningful story and content.
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Edited by Mar: 2/6/2015 4:49:09 PMnot even that old and i know what your talking about... don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing... [u]*sarcastic* and tetris was totally 100000 times better than this game, destiny sucks.... *end sarcastic comment*[/u]
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1. There are good games out there without extreme stupidness or a complete desolation of a story or characters. 2. Try playing those awesome games. Not trying to antagonize, but anyone who has followed Bungie for longer than Destiny was expecting an opus magnum, Destiny is not that. In spite of developing interesting new playing ideas, its gorgeous Bungiesque art style and music, it is not a game I want to write home about. The dismal storytelling/ delivery and complete absence of emotions was surprising.
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Why? Because halo was so awsome? Such an over rated game it's not even funny. Destiny shits on halo. Tell me this after the first halo did you have any idea what was going on? They made books and movies to explain everything just like what will happen with destiny.
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Yes. There was a clear plot, defined characters and most importantly, emotional ties with the protagonists with a feeling of being completely immerse in their world. Couldn't wait for Halo 2 ;) All these elements are missing in Destiny. Halo and Destiny are two completely different game styles, but in spite of its episodic narrative, Destiny could have featured a good script, developed characters as well as a coherent story.
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1. yes there are and "extreme stupidness or a complete desolation of a story or characters" is a bit extreme... its not like this is ride to hell: retribution. 2. i have, they are good, but that argument is about as usefull as a wet match in a dark cave. just because other games are good doesn't mean people can't like destiny. for someone not trying to antagonize you where being rather antagonistic, for lack of better phrasing, there. as far as expecting a opus magnum, if i have seen anything at all these past 6-ish years, its that people have no ability to temper expectations, heaven help us when half life 3 actually comes out, the over reaction and hate may actually cause the internet itself to spontaneously combust and i'll agree it was lacking a good bit in the actual delivery of the story and that none of the characters have much "emotion", its still a good game. but thats just my opinion. like i said before, it boils own to peronal opinion, and the dislike of a story doesn't mean it isn't there. i would say not many people complain this hard about CoD's story but from what i can gather playing CoD for the story is like watching a michael bay movie for the good directing.
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Did not direct stupidness at Destiny, but to other games with no story you mentioned. There are many bad games out there. Destiny is not a bad game. Bungie pre release promotional campaign featured some delusions of grandeur, most of the hype was created before launch, by the creators themselves... People are louder voicing disappointment than in many other gaming community, because they care. Many of us have loved Bungie long before some of the guardians playing were born...
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Edited by Mar: 2/6/2015 4:55:52 AMagreed, and sorry, didn't know where that that particular comment was direct, just assumed it was about destiny, my bad. glad to see some people out there are still willing to be civil about stuff and not just derail all conversations to troll / waste time and be annoying or instantly go to spouting threats and hate for no reasons, /salute to you sir. and they can care about it, thats fine, wish they would tone it down to normal levels and get out of the "raving hate filled psycho" levels of raging, not you but ya know... some of the other people in the forums.
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shut up meg
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People still say this?
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Edited by Guuundy: 2/6/2015 3:44:12 AM.....
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If you aren't going to have much of a story for players to follow, then you need to supplement that with good gameplay, something Destiny lacks. Destiny gameplay is extremely repetitive and eventually becomes boring. Not only that, but Bungie promised us an intriguing story in the pre-alpha phase which was never delivered. With a $500 million budget, you would expect such a highly regarded company such as Bungie to at least create a passable story.
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i disagree but that might just be me, destiny's gameplay is solid, the shooting is good, (aiming, controls, weapons, etc.) the movement options work fine (sprint, sparrows, interceptors, pikes, jumping abilities, etc.) and the enemies, while some can be slightly annoying, are generally fun to fight. the only thing that gets repetitive is the weekly / daily reset things, such as the nightfall, bounties and what not. unless you mean "you just shoot enemies all the time" which all i can say is, yeah when you boil a game down to its most basic concept EVERY game is repetitive, and the story, as in back story, is very intriguing, the "single player" is not the best in the world but i'll take it over something like CoD (just personal preference). and i never once saw that DESTINY itself had that big a budget, as far as i am aware that was a rumor, or a marketing budget, or a franchise budget, and unless you can provide something where bungie themselves or activision said that THIS ONE GAME ALONE cost that much im sticking with that. but it all boils down to opinion, some will like it, some will not, but just disliking it doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Edited by WickedWahine808: 2/6/2015 4:22:13 AMI don't feel it is fair to compare Destiny to other games.It is different and innovative in many ways. The question is does it work? For some of us, it appears it does not. For others good shooting and game mechanics is all they need. [spoiler]Still play all the Halos, ME, GOW, POP. Mostly to re enter those worlds, relive those stories with their charcters. And also shoot stuff ;)[/spoiler]
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i don't think its really fair to compare any game to any other game, unless they are sequels, then you can compare them to the sequels of that same game, IE: BL1 2 TPS, GoW 1 2 3 judgement, etc. if we held everything to up to everything else then nothing would be as good as the person comparing's own personal favorite. but being objective is apparently a foreign concept now a days, and so is judging things based on its own strengths and weaknesses, which i will say destiny Is FAR from perfect, it needs work, which will hopefully happen in the future with w /e the sequels will be. but its still a fine enough game. all personal prefernce of course, i don't pretend to think everyone shares my views on the game (as if actually liking it wasn't evidence of that)
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[u]Here are some stats for you:[/u] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop I do agree that Destiny has very good combat and gunplay mechanics, but with an extremely watered down game, there isn't much to do. I'm absolutely bored of shooting the same enemies in the same missions doing the same thing every week. For me, and many others, what it boils down to is they promised us one thing then 180d and gave us much less than originally promised. Not only that, but Bungie has barely kept up with patching the game and implementing essential balances. We paid for lackluster DLC that adds barely anything new to the game other than a beyond broken raid and a few missions taking place on the same exact maps as before. With the budget that Destiny has/d, they could have done MUCH more with the game. Their coders are lazy and can not figure out how to solve simple issues, such as vault space, and the community manager does nothing but mislead and confuse the community.
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Using wikipedia as a source? CMON MAN
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i know, you'd think anyone would know that is not a creditable source, besides whoever did that article either doesn't know how to add, doesn't have all the facts straight, or is just being a idiot cause i can't even begin to fathom how 140mil?? + ???? = 500 mil.
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I really hope you're not serious…
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Edited by Mar: 2/6/2015 4:50:52 AMnot what i asked for but, according to the chat how can a 140 mil development cost + 0 marketing cost (which i know isn't right they marketed the balls off this game) = 500 mil... ? its ok if you're bored with it. im not, a few other people are not, a few other people are. all opinions none truly wrong or righ. the DLC i will admit could of been better but i will say i didn't expect much more than that so im fine with it. don't know why you brought the programmer / coders and deej into this, they really had nothing to do with your or my original points. and yeah they could of done better, but then again so could every other game developer ever. again, its all opinion, if your bored with it thats fine, there are other games just as good if not better to play. i will keep playing destiny till i get bored with it, which may or may not happen. heck i still find PS2 games alot of people hated really fun. and thanks for trying to derail all original points, doing a good job there.
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What the hell are you talking about? We were talking about Desitny, so I talked about Destiny as a whole. Including, the development of the game and gameplay itself. In no way was the conversation ever "derailed". If you can't understand how to properly participate in a debate, then don't both replying. Back to the conversation. It wasn't just 140mil going into the entire development of the game, it was 500mil in total, most of which is unknown of what it went towards. Most of it was likely used towards marketing, thus, showing how they tried to hype of an underdeveloped game. With a game that is/was as highly funded as Destiny, there should be much more to it. [spoiler]The beginning of sentence begins with a capital letter.[/spoiler]
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we was walking about specific part of the game, that part being the story. or i suppose i should say people complaining and them saying that there isn't one in or about the game at all, which is not true, coders, programmers and deej have nothing to do with that, you said it if it has bad or no story it needs gameplay to compensate, which i said it did and that it also has a story, a rather interesting one if you have half a mind to look at it. then you went off about how you were promised this and that and had way to high expectations and about the budget and about the people who actually coded the game all of which had nothing to do with the original point. that is why i said you tried to derail it. and frankly i don't care about capitalizing letters on a forum on the internet... this isn't grammar class. clearly there is no talking to you. good day sir.
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Sorry, but I can't reply to you with your broken grammar. Nobody wants to ready your entire block of text with poor grammar skills.
