[i]I struggled a long time with stats and how they influence this game. I have finally made an overview which I present here to discuss.
The most interesting thing is the long Game, meaning [b]how does this Model work out in the far future of this franchise?[/b] Based on the data we got to this point, we can draw the following conclusions:[/i]
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At the moment the damage model is constructed so that the Damageupgrade we receive via the DLC can`t compensate for the Damage reduction we get when facing enemies of a higher tier. To illustrate this: To compensate for the 32% damage loss a 32 currently gets when facing 33 enemies in the Hard Raid, we would need to have weapons with an Attackrate above 400 (the current max is 331).
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Furthermore the Armor-defense gain we receive by equipping Armor with higher Lightlevel has diminishing returns since it seems to be fixed at 88 per Lightlevel.
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We should always seperate Level and Lightlevel. A 32 has a Lightlevel of 12, only then it becomes clear why you have to equip 4 armorparts with 36 to reach 32. A better form to explain it would be:
Lighttotal = Lightlevel * Multiplier
The Multiplier is the most mysterious thing, since it converges continously when you reach Level 20. It goes from 20 to 12, where it stays fixed. This is also the reason why you get the feeling that going from 20 to 26 is a lot faster than going from 26 to 28 and eventually to 30. The net-Light value has diminishing returns until it finally stays constant.
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With HoW the Level cap will probably be raised to 33, not higher. To get to 33 you will need 4 Armorpieces with Light 39. To make the Crota raidgear not irrelevant like they did with VoG, Bungie will most likely cap the new HoW Vendorgear at Light 35 (one Level below current Exotics/CE-armor).
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We already heard that Comet (the next big thing after HoW) will introduce a third subclass, which is a sign that it won`t change Lightlevels drastically, my best guess is that it will have at least the Levelgain of TDB&HOW combined, allowing for a max Level of 39/40.
This fits also in the Levelcurves MMos like WoW tend to raise their Levelcap with core expansions by 10. (Comet compared to Vanilla Destiny)
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A big issue is at the moment that for someone starting with the game, previous raids become totally pointless because oft the outdated stats on the Lootitems. Binding the Lightlevel to fixed Armor becomes a problem when Lightlevel has such a dramatic influence on endgameperformance, which leads to practically everyone being forced to wear the same armor. To counter that Bungie could introduce a 4th tier of Rarity, let`s call it „epic“. It should sit between the normal Legendaries and the Exotics.
Epics are nothing else than „evolved“ versions of legendary items. To evolve a legendary item into an epic one a new type of shard/material could be introduced. These epic shards unlock the „true potential“ of any legendary gear/weapon. So an „epic“ version of Blackhammer should be able to reach the HoW Attackrate of 360, an epic version of the Tireless Striders (Hunter-Raidlegs) would have a Lightlevel of 39 etc. How epic shards can be obtained needs tob e discussed, but should not be too easy obviously.
This way Bungie could kill two birds with one stone: New Players have an incentive to do the elder raids to obtain weapons/armors they can craft into ones that are currently useful, and vets can dust off their old gear and give it a new purpose, which will lead to more diversity.
[b]TLDR: Dissecting the Number salad in Destiny[/b]
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Your epic has become ascended
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Your epic has become ascended
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I know this is old, but why don't you take a look at these numbers again.
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This is brilliant, Bungie please listen to this or even read it. I would love to get my Vog helm and weapons back and evolve them to a higher lvl.
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It is such a shame that the VoG gear was rendered useless instantly. I only ever got the boots and gauntlets and never got to wear them because I just bought new gear from the vendor to do the Eris levels. They need to bring back relevance to VoG as its still a fun element of this game and people would still run it for a purpose. I find it more fun than Crota.
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Thank you for compiling and explaining these mechanics. It is rapidly becoming a mess without some clearer strategies behind it. They need to Blasksmith any older, favorite style, gear to the light levels we aspire. Stop talking about unique Snowflakess while making us look like Lemmings.
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Genius
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If the armor upgrade is fixed it doesn't have diminished returns. Learn your big words before using them
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Great ideas fellow guardian, but no new shards. I know everyone has more ascendant and energies than they know what to do with at the moment. Using these for Epic would be great as well as using radiant to upgrade all raid gear across the board because the Vog gear needs a buff big time to add more diversity and give us something else to work towards.
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Bumpidy bump bump
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I agree with this post
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Great ideas
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Edited by moonshinetemp098: 2/5/2015 7:49:50 AMI almost agree with the people saying that introducing a new material to the in game economy would falter the plan, but here's a suggestion; instead of using existing material, make a vendor where you can exchange x amount of one for another (for instance, using 5 ascendant shards for one radiant shard) and so on. I say this because you could also use the existing material to upgrade that equipment, then as a currency to buy the upgrade material needed, sort of like needing black wax idols to buy the embalming orb for husk of the pit. Furthermore, this vendor could use the same process for marks, commendations, glimmer, and basic materials, while also having for sale a way to use glimmer to buy certain things. To keep in line with lore, we can put this vendor right next to Master Rahool as this seems like a cryptarc sort of line of duty.
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How vendor gear has a LIGHTlevel of 39 for level 33. The New RAID gear will have 42 LIGHT to reach level 34.
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interesting. Does this prove or disprove the leaked Comet images?
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Edited by Al Simmons67: 2/4/2015 5:14:30 PMGreat ideas, but do we really want to introduce a NEW material into Destiny's economy?i have so many ascendant shards I could pave my driveway with 'em. And I have a huge driveway. Why not just use ascendant shards to unlock the Epic armor? That way not only do we get to make a choice on what armor we want to level up, but it gives us all more variety and a chance to look different.
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No new classes with HoW? Well, I wasted 35 bucks on a seasons pass.
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Well at least im not the only 31titan getting his butt kicked by lvl28 fleet... its a nice perspective to view the grind as the games only Goal. By the time i will have "achieved" anything apart from RNG Jackpots this game may allready be obsolete. I guess HOW DLC will be crucial for the future of Destiny1, Comet might allready be Part2 unless they didnt cut out half the original Content to be dished out this fall. just mingling with the damage and enemy bulletsponge making up numbers treadmill
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I don't think it needs to be as complicated as introducing new ways to upgrade old legendaries. Why not just have level 32 VoG drop 331 weapons?
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BumpiriBump
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Illuminati confirmed.
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