I see that angle. I guess to sum up my take on this, I would put the word "traditional" before all the times you say pvp. I feel like if I said everything after doom 1 deathmatch on a 28.8 phone modem was unbalanced, broken and illegitimate, it's kind of an equivalent statement to yours. Both are based on taste and opinion. To put it another way, MLG is the first MLG. Maybe the circuit that destiny would fit into doesnt yet exist. Really though I'm just old and have heard all this before. It's possible I am an irrelevant relic : )