Is it after their first raid?
Just to clarify I have had this game since release(a few weeks after) so I am not a Christmas noob.
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In all honesty when they have vault rid gear and are capable of running hard without constantly messing up as a 31. I can't stand getting in VoG hard only to find a 31 with blue unmixed weapons being carried. That is when they are no longer a Christmas Noob. When I join the raid and don't question if I will have to carry you then you are good.