Feel better OP? Got it all out? Ok. I'll take a quick moment to address a few things: [quote]I call "bullshit" that a new feature takes a bit to modify/introduce.[/quote] Call bullshit then. I actually work with computers daily M-F 8-5 p.m. and sometimes more and I can tell you there is a process at work which many don't approve of, but it doesn't change the reality of the situation. They are expected to do certain pieces of work. You do not know that workload because you, frankly, sound too young to even grasp the basic job description for a computer programmer. No worries though. [quote]Fixes "the way we intended you to play" rather than fixing bugs and glitches that not only break their game, but renders both Raids nigh-unplayable due to said bugs/glitches.[/quote] I've always loved this. The argument. I'm going to give you a very easy example. Back in 2004, California based a new water bill. It became a law. The law stated that all VOC (Volatility of Chemicals) material sheets needed to meet certain criteria. This meant our plants which produced drinkable water or anything else including paints with chemicals in it, needed to be classified accordingly to the new regulations. What was hidden about it was an inside tax used on tax payers years later in 2009 for the purchase and resale of paint related products. It caused a market fluctuation sooo high, they reduced the tax IMMEDIATELY because of the impact. The "bug" which occurred was an independent source came forward and said it was possible to do. What they DIDN'T get asked by the northern california representatives without the southern half's approval at the city level was what the negative impact to the economy would be. It was perfectly predicted out. It was SUPPOSED to cause major market inflation. California representatives SCRAMBLED to fix the issue. Now? The tax is still in place, but it's much more stable. With a computer system? You are taking that basic idea of manipulating truths and exponentially making it bigger. To put it simply: If the raid bugs, glitches, and otherwise was impacting so many thousands of people in Destiny as it did in the state of california, Bungie would DEFINITELY scramble to fix it. No questions asked. The damage NEEDS to equate reckless abandon of the current system. A few people reported that issue on these forums and I myself looked at those, went into the raids, and never had a problem arise. Never. Does it mean it shouldn't be fixed? No. I agree. It should be fixed. But computer programming, as Deej said, takes time. It's not just script writing you have to do. Every variable which changes changes something else. What was acceptable before is no longer acceptable now. Also. If you think Bungie is like California government. They aren't. Trust me. Forbes has listed California for two years in a row (2013 and 2014) as the worst run state out of them all for a reason. California has a repeated history of making those large caliber mistakes. [quote]I guess we really aren't going to be allowed to become Legend and "play the way you want to" like was advertised.[/quote] You really take things too far. You have patrol, crucible, raids, gear customized for each situation, blah blah blah and you think those hard/set-in-stone deliverable don't satisfy the "play the way you want to" statement? You paid for an experience. You got one. You want more? Well. There will be more. You REALLY need to understand that regardless of how you word something, they HAVE to find the positive message in your post. You aren't happy with the current content load? Ok. They'll tailor the next DLC to fit with the story to give you more content like they said in The Dark Below interviews. They made it fit into the storyline. Apparently it was originally designed for some other purpose. Maybe an expansion meant for more side missions and quests. Like a filler arc. Instead? You got new maps and everything which is tailored to the storyline already laid out in the grimoire. You don't like the grimoire? Want that content in-game? Guess what? It didn't happen. Well it should have? Maybe it should have. Clearly it didn't. It doesn't matter then does it? You want to know more about Destiny? Read into the situations. You want be more familiar with universe of it? Read the grimoire. This game is built on the same concepts ALL games are built on. You don't get it? You want more out of it? Ok. Perfectly fine. Bad news? You've set your expectations to a common problem level called "hype" level. You never believe the hype. You simply relax and let the adventure be something you want it to be or you quit and don't look back. What's it going to be for you?

William Wallace: Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take.... OUR FREEDOM!!! *is tapped on the shoulder, man whispers in Wallace's ear. Dumbfounded and astonished he pulls back to look the man directly in the eyes and says in disbelief, "No?!?" The man nods. Wallace turns to the army before him, defeated and sullen he confesses, "Nevermind, go home and live. They never coded Freedom into the game in the first place." His shoulders droop as he mutters, "I can't believe I bought into the hype...."

Whine all you want about game design elements that suck, but dissing the coding guy just shows how little you understand. Debugging large code is a horror job.

*applauds author* Very well said. On almost every single point, I agree 100%. I don't know anyone who could have said it better.

You're the man. Good post. They'll ignore like everything else but we'll be punishing them after House of Wolves don't worry. Vast majority dropping off at that point.

You are right to bad they won't give a shit about this post

I agree with you on nearly all points. I just wanted to keep your thread alive; but via different means than the standard "bump." I want to add that holding out hope for [i]Destiny[/i] is a practice in futility. DeeJ's latest poll about PVP improvements further solidifies their intent on catering to the easily distracted and impressed CoD PVP gamer type. In a game where we were suppose to be fighting "the Darkness", our biggest enemy seems to be the decision-makers for [i]Destiny[/i] instead. With the only quick and meaningful responses catering to PVP, eg - nerfs, buffs, constant Iron Banner events - Destiny will only ever be something to bring in revenue to Activision in between CoD releases from twitch gamers waiting for their next PVP fix.

the House of Wolves datamine shows seperate storage for shaders, emblems, etc. They have a date for the fix....eta end of feb. Which is a week or so away from HoW. They have it finished. They are just putting it with the big HoW update to make the content seem bigger. They are going the hold content for big updates rather than patch things piecemeal approach. Blizzard does this...and they are part of Activision.

I agree that the game is not perfect, but there is more potential here than we have ever seen on a console before. Destiny is an ambitious project, and it's going to have issues. It will be a very different game a year from now, and I'm willing to let it grow before declaring it as total shit. I took the coder's response at face value. I'm sure he's a highly intelligent guy with a team of highly intelligent people. If they can't find a quick fix, there probably isn't one.

I didn't know much about the gaming industry before destiny.. just enjoyed playing good games. I've learned a lot over the last few months. Most importantly, I WILL NEVER PRE ORDER EVER AGAIN.[quote][/quote]

I have a feeling that the vault space update will come at the same time as the HOW dlc. Not exclusively to dlc owners but they will make it sound that way to add incentive to buy the new dlc. As for last week's weekly report, I was fine with what I read. We finally hot some knowledge on the status of a major bug. You call the programmer incompetent. Lets see YOU write the code that fixes the game without adding more problems. It is tricky enough to write code just to have a computer add two numbers.

In the book "Going Postal" there's a character called Reacher Guilt, the embodiment of corporate bastardy. In response to the dire situation his company is in he chooses to dress up a minor tweak as a glorious and [i]dynamic [/i]effort to reinvigorate the company (as a substitution for the costly, systemic overhauls that are necessary to keep a vital system going.) A con trick. That's what this weekly update was. Its making a stage show out of one small effort to serve as the substitute for any more meaningful changes. Its words instead of action because words are so much easier for a certain mindset to justify (which can so easily describe everything about this game from the dialog to its QA process.) Bullshit indeed OP.

These assholes spent over 500 million dollars creating this turd and have not recouped 25 % or that and wont ...ever their only hope is rewraping the game in a destiny 2 package and hope a ton of idiots buy it they had a chance to create something god that would last but the decided to -blam!- over the community from day one and all i have to say paybacks a bitch and i hope you idiots enjoy the unemployment line

I wonder how many of the defenders of Bungie screwing over gamers and saying "give them time" and "wait on Destiny 2" are actually Bungie employees.......... I bet at least one of them is and more than likely more. No gamer should be okay with the pr bullshit post, lack of content and support in a game they paid $100 for (counting the on disk locked content), and overall lack communication to their community. If you are then your most likely 10 years old. I feel like that's a good thing and a bad thing. It's great that their is a whole new generation of gamers out there. It's bad that you have not experienced the great games of the past and the relationship/respect that the gamers and developers worked so hard too build in the past. The older generation are the ones who made most of these companies and they don't seem to respect that anymore. Though it wasn't that long ago when developers respected their communities it seems like forever. P.S. Great post I laughed like hell and you spoke the truth!