Edit, I understand this post might a bit difficult to understand, however if you give it a good read you will find out that this way is the best way mathematically for everybody to be able too succeed and do the events they enjoy. You can run nightfall without ever setting foot in a raid using this method, raid gear never becomes irrelevant, and only the true Hardcore players hit the level cap early on.
The proper way too setup the light level of gear in this game is to have the max light level of the gear set you at one level above that of the raid it drops from, or one level below the next normal mode raid, why? Gear should be acquired from one raid to prepare you for the next raid. You get no damage bonus from being over leveled so why does it matter. You should be able to run the raid that the gear drops from at its maximum difficulty at the same level as the enemies with 2 pieces of that raids gear and an exotic. Lower the drop rate of the gear and increase the light level. You should be able to run the next raid on its normal difficulty with 3 pieces of raid gear and one exotic. This gives people a reason to keep running the previous raid. Before anybody flames me just sit and think for a moment about the aspects of this method and realize everybody wins.
Vanguard gear max level 27 gets you past vanguard roc and Into vog. Vog gear level 31, gets you past vog and into crotas end normal, crotas end gear level 34 gets you out of crotas end and into house of wolves. The drop rate of the gear should be as such that it takes almost the entire time until the next dlc to get all 4 pieces, this isn't that bad because you could run crota on hard mode at level 32 with only 2 pieces of raid gear and an exotic. And one piece from vog. What's that you got the boots another helm from both vog and crotas end and only have exotic helms so you can't quite hit 32. Better go back to vog and try to get the chest piece. This method works bungi. Please read this and understand.
edit: the weekly nightfall has been set at a level 2 levels below the maximum level cap so far. The nightfall is supposed to be the most challenging thing we do every week aside from the raid. You can gain access to any mission or event in this game by being 3 levels below the level of the mission. That's a total of 5 levels below the current level cap. Every 12 light is one level above 20.
How the light level adds up in my method
Vanguard 21
Adds up to 84 which makes you level 27.
Vault of glass 33
Adds up to 132 with makes you 31
At that time the nightfall was only level 28. The exotic gear is always the same level as the raids. So you would have only needed one exotic to be the same level as the enemies in the nightfall.
21 vanguard
21 vangaurd
21vangurad
33 exotic.
That's 99 light level 28 and a smidgen.
Expansion the dark below launches now the nightfall is bumped up to 30. Well under my current light level system the level cap is now 35 so the raid gear and the exotics would now be light level 45. For a whopping 180 light total.
With three pieces of only vanguard gear and one exotic you would be sitting at level 29. Only one level below the current level 30 nightfall and you would only need 12 more light to match that level. I find it very hard to believe that in 12 months you would not have acquired a single piece of gear from the vault of glass..
Keep in mind I'm not suggesting bungie changes anything about the current difficulty levels, only that they change the light level of the gear. Enemies in vog hard mode would still be level 30. So under my leveling system after the expansion dropped and the exotic gear light level increased you would be able to face Athion on hard mode with a full team of level 29 guardians without single player in the group having a single piece of raid gear. If you wanted to that is. If you had one piece of vog raid gear already plus your exotic you would be level 30.
Let's say that by now you have only been lucky enough to get on stupid piece of gear from the vault and one piece from Athion so your gear looks like this now
Head exotic 45
Arms vangaurd 21
Chest vault of glass 33
Legs crotas end 45
Add that up its 145 light
Divide by 12 that's 12 light levels above 20
So under my leveling system you would be sitting at the current level cap with only one piece of raid gear from each raid one exotic and a vanguard drop. You could go run freaking crota Hard mode...
Now let's quickly address the iron banner, let it drop light level gear comparable to the previous raid only two pieces. That's 33 light under my system, puts you at light level 29. It's equal to one drop from crotas end. Now let's assume you got the exotic helmet a vault of glass chest and iron banner boots and gauntlets
Head 45
Arms33
Chest33
Legs 33
That's 144 light
That's level 32. With only one piece of gear from vault of glass and nothing from crotas end.
You cannot tell me that there is a massive portion of the community out there with absolutely no-brainer gear from either raid, not even one piece. Come on.
edit: if you don't think running the current nightfall at level 29 is fair that's what we raiders have to deal with in crotas end hard mode, this game is not fair, this is destiny
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This idea leaves out 80% of the playerbase (The people that don't raid). I'm sorry, I don't like raiding, I don't want to raid, but I do like to do nightfalls, weekly strikes and daily stories. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed? This selfish nonsense spewed by elitist raiders is killing the community. Hang your head in shame.
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Raids should always be one Light level above the maximum, that should be the nature of the challenge.
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Interesting idea, but no. Because your method says, "Oh, you can't get to a high enough level to be useful in the current raid? Go grind for the next month on the last raid praying for a raid piece you need...oh, and we reduced the drop rates. Have fun!!" If you didn't want to reduce the already spazzy drop rates, I might be in agreement with you.
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I like your idea, it makes logical sense
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you're trying to over complicate the process. is it screwy that the vault is always a tougher difficulty than you? absolutely. but trying to level the playing field when they've deliberately tilted it in their favor.. for a reason.. will do nothing.
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Holy learned nothing... Sorry but very hard to follow
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Found this link http://www.gamespot.com/articles/we-won-t-make-same-mistakes-twice-with-next-destin/1100-6424878/ I hope they take my advice.
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This is how it will be for house of wolves
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I like this idea, a few questions though (you might want to edit your post to reflect these questions) First: what about the nightfall/weekly? Should it be challenging only to people who raid? What if you don't like to raid? How would the NF/Wkly change from dlc to dlc with the higher levels? Would it stay one level? How could you make it so everyone has the same chance to do it but raiders feel like its a challenge? (I have a reply to someone on here addressing this issue, sorry I don't remember which post.) Second: what would you do about Iron Banner Gear? Would it stay up to date with current raid Gear? Would it be just below current raid gear but above vanguard gear? Would you have the full set for sale considering how infrequent it is offered compared to other methods to getting armor? How often should the IB come around? Third: How would you address the number of infrequent armor drops? You said it should drop all the armor by the time the next dlc released, how would you determine that you did the raid enough times vs having done it more than enough to the point that the game just won't give you the armor you need? What if you had multiple characters of the same class, would they have the armor you want three times as fast? What if they were different classes?
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No... Terrible idea the RNG loot system in destiny is awful, I was level 32 before I finally got the VOG gear to get 30
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Yes, here is your bump I agree with this. Keep old raids relevant, I including others love the VOG and now it's worthless :(
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You must love to eat at Burger King! Have it your way
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Agree
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Where are all of my comments
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I will keep bumping this until I get feedback from #deej
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Yea if you noticed HOW is probably gona be a -blam!-ed up raid this raid is 30 and 33 so how is probs gona be either 33 and 35 with the lv 33 moving up 1 lv after each section like vogs easy and crotas normal did were gona be boned as shit
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Bad idea, in that RNG can have you stuck n never move up levels, light keveling needs a total overhaul and there should be multiple ways to hit Max excluding just buying it
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Edited by Kuvnoz: 1/28/2015 10:07:11 PMExcept NF, max Weekly, and heroic daily are level 30. No VoG should not mean no weekly content after an expansion. Just a thought.
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Even after having 3 pieces from the previous raid and just the right exotic to fill that fourth slot people will still grind the shit out of the old raid trying to get the fourth piece so they can use their favorite exotic armor piece instead of the only exotic piece they have that fits into that empty slot. This could be beautiful bungi. Make it happen. Re-post your drop rates and gear light level, make things in this game better stronger more sought after, and rarer.