It doesn't count if they aren't upgraded. All Xbox players are casuals, don't even try to argue. You know it, I know it. Even [i]Bungie[/i] knows it. You should just stop playing since you'll never be as good as the true elite players. If you think any exotics are bad, you just need to git gud. No Land Beyond was the icing on the cake for me, it makes the Crota hard fight so damn easy. Point is: stop being bad and make RNGsus your personal fleshlight. edit: [spoiler]Thanks for the lolz people. Keep up the heated Desticle commentary![/spoiler]