Okay, time for a dispute. Defender is amazing in Crucible. It's probably the second easiest class to play as. Armor of Light allows Ward of Dawn to counter every special in the game outside of Fist of Havoc. In the event that someone runs into it here's how that plays out. Arc Blader- runs inside, gets two pieced by shotgun melee. Or one shotted by a pretimed fusion rifle. Their only option becomes spamming Razor's Edge and the titan can just jump over that until they give up (or mess up). Pair with Helm of Saint 14 for ridiculous efficiency in taking out entire teams. Golden Gun- wastes two out of 3 (potentially 4) shots to destroy the barrier. In that time of about a second and a half, the titan who sees the activation can run away easily. (max agility titans move faster than max agility hunters by jumping and boosting with increased control.) So long as they jump low, the hunter can't jump and shoot them from above. And assuming the Titan is smart enough to place his ward in an area where he can't be flanked that won't be a problem anyway. Void Walker- basically the same scenario as the Gunslinger. Except that Vortex will allow the warlock to damage the titan inside if he chooses not to run. Otherwise shatter and potentially lance can destroy the ward without damaging the Titan. The endlag suffered from the warlock allows the titan to fire back at the same time or before, setting them both at neutral at best. Sunsinger- runs inside, gets two pieced, or three pieced if using radiant skin. Also, auto shotties like Found verdict or invective don't even require the melee. Striker- Fist of havoc wins every time. So titans can only effectively be hard countered by titans. In the event that you're playing with people who DON'T run inside, (smart players) then you can switch it up and run blessing of light. Each time you pop out and shoot you might get hit, sure. But you can just go back in and get another shield for the entire team. Placing a ward isn't something you do without knowing how to use it. They're better placed around corners where the opponent can't see. It gives the titan and his team an area to retreat to and get buffs before coming onto the battlefield again. Strikers on the other hand, I don't use them often but Fist of Havoc is an undeniable clutch special. When used at the right times it can turn the tide of a game. It allows them to tank shots from golden gun and literally every other super or form of heavy ammo outside of maybe gjallarhorn. I've tanked GG shots without even having unstoppable equipped. I've tanked Nova Bombs. taken out two arc bladers who were slicing me simultaneously, killed a fireborn warlock with my aftermath before he could even run away, it's just really good. If you're getting killed after using it then you aren't a patient player. Talk about barely producing orbs, that's the Bladedancer. 1 orb every two kills. It's a problem really. Shoulder charge can be prewound up on walls to avoid the entire seen it coming thing. I don't feel like you really find it to be a gimmick either, because you mentioned earlier that Titans would be useless without it. Barrier melee is really effective if you can get one off. Using unbreakable helps greatly against auto or pulse rifle users, as the barrier is better than the warlock scorch melee shield. It recharging when not taking damage makes for a great hit and take cover play style. Other than that, I can agree that it isn't too useful. Storm fist on the other hand, with the aoe from the punch lets you get an entire group to low health. Pair that with a handcannon or shotgun and you have potential multikills just from a melee to one shot spree. Grenades are the last thing I want to get on. Suppression grenades and Flashbangs are by far, the most overpowered grenades in the game. Not only do they deal about 150 damage, but they also blind/suppress people in a radius larger than the hit radius. Pair this with the armamentarium and high discipline and you've got a serious issue on your hands. The ability to shut down supers before they happen is extremely reliable, especially once you've gotten the time it takes on average for your opponent to build his meter. I've checked your stats so I know you're better than I am at this game in PvP. You don't have a titan character however, so I wonder if you've never faced a good one either.