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Edited by Hoots711:
1/14/2015 4:48:21 PM
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jmFerris, i generally agree with your overview of the "software development practice" and agree that many of the tin-hat theories are reaching.
But I believe you over look 2 very important facts.
The first fact, and I will call it a fact, is the gross difference between what was advertised and what was sold. We have visual, dated proof of misleading, and even fraudulent, features and claims of this game. There are many reasons this could have happened. My guess is that it, like most things, is somewhere in the middle of cost cutting and schedule managing. We dont know the reasons, but we do know that what we all bought was not what was being marketed for the previous 2-3 years.
The second, and this is key, the majority of the gaming market are not an educated consumers. Most sound consumers will change future purchase practices depending on current exceptions being met or not. I think it is naive to think that the activisions of the world don't know this and prey on it. For every educated consumer they lose, 10 more will buy dlc. If that is the case, what does that say about your product?
I don't believe you can completely dismiss this entire video. He makes many sounds points and valid questions. He is not presenting facts, but using his opinions to persuade. I don't see anything wrong with it. Frankly, it is more refreshing then many of the mindless sheep i read on this forum.
Good day.
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Edited by jmferris: 1/14/2015 5:29:22 PMAgain, thank you for providing civil discussion points. It is encouraging to see that on here, for a change. My issue is not, and never has been, with anyone having an opinion that I disagree with. I do, however, take issue with the style that the current trend of YouTube monologues are gaining more credibility than actual two-sided discussions. To some extent, it is the new version of a wall of text that is difficult to make point by point counter-opinions to, which is why it is likely becoming more and more popular with each passing day. There is this misconception of "what was advertised". The Vi-Docs are not commercials, they are meant to be an inside look at the development process and the state of things as they currently stand. You are right - things do change, and sometimes those things will change on a daily basis. That is part of an iterative development process - making small progressions that can be tested, validated, rewritten, and are not as costly to change or discard if something does not work the way it was intended. But, as a few others have also pointed out, I do not think that Bungie was attempting to sell you on a single game in what they were saying and showing. The intent, in my opinion, has been to sell a franchise. If anything, I fault them for being too open, up-front; which is also likely partially why they have become less open today. If DeeJ as much as sneezes, it becomes proof of something. ;-) It is not a business's fault that a consumer chooses not to self-educate. "Preying upon" is a little extreme, in my opinion, and more shifting blame instead of sharing it. If you, as a consumer, do not set a standard and buy into a hype train, they have no obligation to exceed expectations. If they did, everyone would be yelling at them for delaying the game, yet again. I am confident that a good number of gamers who have left this franchise will not be returning to it, and I am confident that Bungie and Activision both know this, as well. It already has sent a message, and all anyone can do is wait and see how it will be addressed. The cycle, however, will not change, as long as gamers continue to perpetuate the "have to have it now" and "look, I get a preorder bonus" mentalities that are running rampant. Gaming and gamers are no exception to consumerism - at the end of the day, we are no less or more important than any other consumer marketplace. Like I said, my issue is not with his opinions, but through sensationalization of those opinions in a way that is meant to discourage productive dialogue. It is a soapbox, and nothing more. There is more discussion going on here, on both sides, than there are in the comments section of the video, which speaks volumes to that. The time it takes to "produce" these videos could be spent actually discussing issues, instead of self-promoting. In my own opinion, that says quite a lot, in itself. [b]Edit:[/b] Grammar.
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Edited by TheMighty3X: 1/14/2015 7:42:08 PMThe fact that BDobbins is not presenting facts renders his entire argument pointless. Like...[i]literally[/i] pointless. Even your own post is nothing more than the same regurgitated "facts" (which for the record, they aren't) that everyone on your gravy train say. It's baseless speculation and/or mindless ranting, nothing more. Nothing any one of you have said to try to counter jmferris holds any weight, and it's become honestly comical sitting here reading you try...and the irony of someone who follows the opinion of someone else's opinion (keyword, because none of it is fact) calling other people sheep is equally comical.
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While there are no cold hard facts (unless an actual Activision or Bungie employee comes forward, which is unlikely due to contracts) you have to admit, he makes a valid point about the way people and the gaming community are becoming complacent with how developers are churning out games as quick as possible and are cutting costs to maximize profits. It absolutely makes sense to divide your full game into purchased content in order to artifically raise the price from $60 to $95 ($60 + $35 for the season pass). And he is right, if the consumers allow companies to get away with this, they will do it again, and again.
