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originally posted in:The Grossly Incandescents
Edited by UnknownJones:
1/12/2015 9:27:22 PM
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Cheesing labeled as "cheating"
Just read this Gamasutra community member's post from Friday: "Anything goes: How Destiny just went Free-to-Cheat."
This is my first MMO, so I'm new to the mentality of "cheesing = cheating." Taking advantage of exploits to cheese stuff is nothing new, obviously, but I'd never heard from the contingent of folks who decry it.
As for me, I'm happy to cheese while we can. I've always believed that if you're using the tools the devs gave you—your system and controller—and not hacking into a registry and flipping bits around to make a game go your way, anything goes. So articles like this make me want to dismiss the critics as being butthurt. But I definitely value knowing I can do things legit as well. (Not that we'll have any choice after today's update.)
What are your thoughts on the legitimacy of cheesing raids, strikes, etc.?
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I'm impressed on how people figure these chesses out and how quickly they implement the strats. I mean all the crotas cheese were wide known by the first week and I could never figure them out. Even the vog cheesing the templar was impressive to me. I have respect for people who figure it out but it is pretty shitty to be bungie and watch these raids you worked hard on being conquered so easily by cheesing.
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I could careless about cheesing/no cheesing. Bungies game is so broken that I log on only Tuesdays to raid and run the weeklies then pretty much don't even touch the game for a week. Although I occasionally let my son log on my character to run around and do whatever he wants since I pretty much have all of what the endgame has to offer. There is nothing to do in this game except for running the same bounties/strikes everyday. That's not what I call fun. Also releveling the same weapons over again is NOT fun. Very tedious and tiresome. My original fireteam that consisted of 9 of us has dwindled down to 2. Everyone has moved on. The game was fun pre dark below when you had to earn your endgame level 30 and helping everyone go thru the raid to hopefully help them earn raid gear to reach that lv 30. But now it's a joke, when little timmy can buy the game and reach elite status in under 2 weeks when everyone else grinded 2-3 months and was still one or two items short of 30. So I say cheese and break the game some more since it's broken as hell anyways.
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Honestly it's annoying how the raids are apparently not tested for crap like this before release. Like the abyss. If you have lamps that explode with enough force to launch you across the map, how could you not expect people to find a way to twist that mechanic into their favor?
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1 ReplyEdited by Foshkey: 1/13/2015 2:25:02 PMComing from extensive MMO play and dabbled in Game Development work... Cheesing has a very loose definition, but most commonly referred to as exploiting within the laws of game mechanics. Once outside of those laws, you are cheating/glitching/hacking. So it's not really about defining what a cheese is, it's more about what are the bounds of the game mechanics and are you breaking them? For example, there's a well known bug in EVE Online called Grid Manipulation, where players could manipulate how clients interpret the current playing field and appear invisible to enemy fleets. How did they do this? Not by hacking, but by simply having players fly in very specific directions to stretch the grid beyond the allotted memory. It was a simple game mechanic that caused *huge* glitches, and the ban hammer was slammed. Therefore, the players didn't call this a cheese, but a hack.
