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originally posted in:Halo Archive
1/12/2015 5:18:32 PM
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What about the Two Betrayels cutscene? And the librarian?
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The Master Chief being tied to the IsoDidact via an imprint, or some other method does not make the Master Chief a Forerunner. He is quite clearly human.
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[quote]The Master Chief being tied to the IsoDidact via an imprint, or some other method does not make the Master Chief a Forerunner.[/quote] Interesting, you said this was not possible. Also had he not got Forerunner DNA?
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He has no Forerunner DNA.
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How did you reach that conclusion? Did he not have Dormant forerunner DNA at his core that the Librarian reactivated in Halo 4. Or did she mutate his DNA into forerunner DNA? He is quite clearly human you said to that other guy but that's not what his eyes and face looked like at the end of Halo 4 when you see his visor lifted.
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Edited by Lord of Admirals: 1/12/2015 5:46:40 PM[quote]How did you reach that conclusion? Did he not have Dormant forerunner DNA at his core that the Librarian reactivated in Halo 4. Or did she mutate his DNA into forerunner DNA?[/quote]Let me pose you this question: If I were to go and modify the DNA in a Bunny embryo to make it so it was black when it was born, does that make the Bunny have human DNA? [quote]He is quite clearly human you said to that other guy but that's not what his eyes and face looked like at the end of Halo 4 when you see his visor lifted.[/quote]His sheer paleness is due to the fact he's spent a significant portion of his life in MJOLNIR. No sunlight as a result.
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This is the Halo universe, forerunners proved they could meddle with DNA even devolve humanity, laying the seeds for dormant forerunner DNA in Chief would not be beyond the life workers. Seriously Forthencho, look at the cutscene from the solo Legendary ending again in Halo 4. I refer not to pigment of his skin more to the quote pronounced forerunner facial features, look at his nose and sunken eyes. See below, please ignore other users that don't want the Halo 4 ending spoiled, this is a proper spoiler. [spoiler]http://youtu.be/LJfhb7oj_es [/spoiler]
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Edited by Lord of Admirals: 1/12/2015 6:07:32 PM[quote]This is the Halo universe, forerunners proved they could meddle with DNA even devolve humanity, laying the seeds for dormant forerunner DNA in Chief would not be beyond the life workers.[/quote]Here's the deal, you have no source that supports such a claim. Messing around with our DNA does not intrinsically mean they spliced their DNA with ours. [quote]Seriously Forthencho, look at the cutscene from the solo Legendary ending again in Halo 4. I refer not to pigment of his skin more to the quote pronounced forerunner facial features, look at his nose and sunken eyes.[/quote]He's got quite a human nose. His eyes aren't sunken as well. Depending on the brand of TV you have and the settings it is set to, his eyes will appear clearly, or very shadowed. For further proof, [url=http://i.imgur.com/QRNazXv.jpg]here's his face as it appears into the game compared to a brightened version with the gamma turned up.[/url] Note that in the original, you can still see his eyes clearly, and they are not sunken. The severe shadow contrast was done to still mask his identity whilst showing his face.
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I disagree with both statements but as I don't have any sources to back me up except things hinted at in the Forerunner Saga/ H4 and Chief's face. (Not buying the edited photo though, nothing wrong with how my TV is set up and I have also looked on PC and my Phone at the cutscenes after I completed H4). I guess we will have to see how Chief evolves into his next form in Halo 5 or maybe for proof that he is not a forerunner/ or mutates into one.
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[quote]I disagree with both statements but as I don't have any sources to back me up except things hinted at in the Forerunner Saga/ H4 and Chief's face.undefined[/quote]Except nothing was hinted at. You're misinterpreting sources to fit your theory. [quote](Not buying the edited photo though, nothing wrong with how my TV is set up and I have also looked on PC and my Phone at the cutscenes after I completed H4). [/quote]I'm not implying anything is wrong with your TV. What I did say is that not everyone is going to have the same brand or settings applied. Most obvious example is the video you linked me to. You can't even make out his eyes at all. Yet on my TV, his eyes appear very clearly, just darkened by the shadow. [quote]I guess we will have to see how Chief evolves into his next form in Halo 5 or maybe for proof that he is not a forerunner/ or mutates into one.[/quote]Except no one who saw Chief after Halo 4 was like, "Ah! You're not human anymore!" [url=http://i.imgur.com/dSoO8as.png?1]Even the Didact wasn't like, "OH SHIT. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE!"[/url]
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Again I have to disagree things were hinted in or explained in the Forerunner Saga and Halo 4 that do indicate that this was possible and very likely. The link in my other post was the first one I picked from YouTube earlier. I have seen many videos like this and this is how it appeared to me on two different TV's, and multiple devices. Also I appreciate the source, I haven't read these yet but you cannot really make out John's facial features just that his eyes are still blue. I guess we will have to wait and see, I do not wish to be contentious Forthencho, as always I appreciate your input.
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The problem is though that you're believing in a theory that has no supporting evidence. Literally at no point in time did the Forerunners mix their DNA with humans or hint at that. [quote] I have seen many videos like this and this is how it appeared to me on two different TV's, and multiple devices.undefined[/quote]And you were never able to make out his eyes in any of them. That's really shitty luck then. [quote]Also I appreciate the source, I haven't read these yet but you cannot really make out John's facial features just that his eyes are still blue. [/quote]But you're contradicting yourself. All you can see when the helmet is taken off is his eyes and the beginning of the bridge of his nose. And that's apparently enough for you to make the claim that he's turning into a Forerunner. Yet when one of his eyes is showing through the cracked visor, that's suddenly not enough? Furthermore, you claim his eyes being sunken is a trademark of the Forerunners. Look at the Terminals. None of them have the sunken eyes. The only one to have sunken eyes is the Didact, and that's because his mind was molested by the Gravemind. [quote]Also I appreciate the source, I haven't read these yet but you cannot really make out John's facial features just that his eyes are still blue. [/quote]I know. Just because we don't agree on something doesn't mean I suddenly don't like you. It's just a debate
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Edited by Reign of Bane: 1/12/2015 7:41:40 PMThere is evidence that supports this, the Librarian laid seeds (geas) in Halsey and many others she explains in Halo 4 for Chief achieve he's true potential. If they could devolve the rest of humanity it is quite possible that the librarian preserved Forerunner DNA hidden in Chief and others to preserve their race as they did rightly fear the flood's advance and possibly their existence. It wasn't luck that Halsey picked Chief. It wasn't luck that he was stronger and more intelligent than the other 75 candidates. Forerunner Saga explains about the mutations a manipular goes through and the classes. It's very possible Chief is warrior class and his exchange with the Didact at end after the Librarians earlier tampering finished the chain and started the next step of Chief's mutation. Tbh I find the sucks to be you kind of comment a bit insulting as I know what I have seen, it's easy to edit still pictures and film but I am not saying you are lying. I am not contradicting myself. The source I provided was just an example and in that you can see his full top half of his face, not just a small cross section of his eye. The librarians face in cut scenes from Halo 4 show she has sunken eyes. I take your point about the Didact his were darker and this may be due to what happened to him but either way he had sunken eyes before like all the forerunners (that I have seen). But that is what I love about Halo and Sci-fi, anything is possible. I am not offended it is a debate after all Forthencho. Again it's been fun.
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Dude no he's not a forerunner lol
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You never know dude. There is evidence that suggests he might be.
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You're bordering Halofollower levels of theories here.
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Come on Lemon, I know the difference between a Wraith and a Phantom, unlike Halo Follower.
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That's irrelevant
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Okay, can see where this is going so I will just leave it there.
