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Edited by BORG: 1/17/2015 6:22:46 PM
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PETITION: VoG weapons at 331. Raids shouldn't be rendered irrelevant.

1500+ up votes 3000+ replies [You guys came up with so many great ideas. I really wish Bungie had a look at the comments here.] [b]Come on, Bungie, give us the freedom to choose whatever suits our style best and don't let those awesome weapons you've designed become obsolete. Actually, don't let the stunning Vault of Glass (best content in the game) be consumed by the darkness. I believe that Raids and its weapons should always be the at level cap. More weapons to choose from, more content to play. Weapons are mostly situational and mixing them is part of a successful strategy (it's fun too). Having more to choose from just add to the game. Edit: I'm not suggesting to automatically turn them into 331 attack weapons. Just give us a way to upgrade them to the current attack cap. I bet you guys can implement it in a sensible way. Why would we go against the idea of having more relevant weapons at our disposal? It's like saying "I'd rather have less weapons, less content". Let's not be passively attached to an old format. Destiny is something new with immense potential.[/b] ===================== Some great comments Bungie should pay some attention to: AJIc3CoLd said: "But what they decide to do with VOG weapons speaks to the future of the current raid weapons as well. Right now, there is an expiration date on my Fatebringer and that sucks, supremely, but now that same feeling isn't too far for my Black Hammer either. I'd like to carry these weapons with me as long as I am playing Destiny. Yeah, future weapons maybe better and I end up scraping these guns one day but I'd like to be able to decide for myself versus having no choice in the matter. Just my take on the situation". JoshLags said: "The problem lies within the way they have designed the upgrading system. They are going to have to re work how you upgrade weapons and armor. Yeah they could just update the VOC gear up to 32 and 331 but what happens when the House of Wolves comes out? Then they are going to have to update both Dark Below and VOC all over again the prevent them from being obsolete. They need to just make it were the players can choose the path they want to take. You choose what armor and weapons you want to upgrade to the highest rank. I mean make it a difficult task. I wouldn't mind the challenge and it would inspire players to be more creative with their characters rather than every single person wearing the same gear". DE4THINC4RN4TE said: "Upgrading older legendary weapons could finally give a use for the Gunsmith beyond buying ammo and weapons at a low level. Not to mention it would help provide a larger variety of "good" weapons so that we would have more things to work towards. After all the various DLC's are done, just imagine how varied the weapon and armor selection would be. (Speaking of which, vendors should be able to upgrade armor as well.)"

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  • Yes plz

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  • I got Fatebringer today. They BETTER update these weapons... What's the point, I would be forced to get the damn gun again.

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  • Didn't even read it... Just saw the topic and I approve this message!!! Bump!!!

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  • Edited by AGG Terabit: 1/6/2015 8:27:29 PM
    You must of just flown in from stupid town. Show me one game where raid gear was allowed to be as good as the next tier of gear that they just released? Why make new gear when they can just keep the same gear abd increase the stats? That's no fun besides you haven't seen the raid primaries yet so don't hark on what could possibly be better. P.s. <3

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    • I posted a thread with a better solution. I don't have a link, but here was the summation: In order to allow old raid gear to be valid, but not too easily accessible, in Crotas End, all raid gear dropped would be replaced with raid tokens (for the class and slot for which the piece of gear would have normally dropped). Upon receiving this token, you can take it to the cryptarch. You will be given the following options for your CE raid token: 1)receive the gear as initially intended 2)lvl up and reset progression on a currently equipped piece of VoG gear (same principal as the Xur system of upgrading exotics). What this means: Old gear will not overpower new gear Old gear is still valid and valued Old gear is still relevant Why? Now that the level cap is 32, it means running VoG is now potentially much easier. My system means that you will still have to play CE as bungie intended in order to max lvl. Notes: The "token" dropped is very specific. If, normally, you would have received, for instance, the black hammer, now you would revive a raid token for a secondary sniper. Upon approaching the cryptarch, you are given the choice of receiving the Black hammer, or, if it's equiped, Praydeaths Revenge 2.0.

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    • They need a 32 vog

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    • Edited by UltraMetal-1: 1/6/2015 8:31:08 PM
      First the VOG is pointless to run because these weapons don't hit the 331 cap . The Vex is the only reason to play it . This is inacceptable and has to change . Second the new Raid weapons suck I don't use any of them. I'm already running out of reasons to play this game and with new games coming this year i'll probably walk away from this game if they don't adjust the VOG weapons to 331 I worked hard to get them. This system of making current raid gear obsolete every time a DLC drops is horrible design . You have a great game here Bungie but your ruining it with this system . All legendary and exotic gear should have a way to level to the new cap we need diversity not forcing us all to have the exact same gear that's a poor design choice . Not to mention the Nightfall drops have become a joke but that's a separate issue.

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      • Edited by iTrigg: 1/6/2015 9:13:03 PM
        I agree entirely with this. Make the old raid gear get you to Lv 31. From here on out VoG armor drops will be +33 Light. Then with an upgradeable way to get it to Lv 32 through the Crota Raid, this way you still need to earn that Lv 32 through the new raid but have different options on what you think looks better gear-wise. All VoG weapons now drop with 331 damage, including exotics. This makes the use of old raid weapons still viable. Why the Vex Mythoclast isn't 331 blows my mind as well, bump that up from here on out. All of this just makes doing the VoG worthwhile yet, let's you use your weapons of your choosing, and gives you multiple combinations of armor rather than everyone running around with the same stuff looking the exact same as everyone else all the time. It shouldn't all be handed over with easy upgrades of current gear and weapons either, it needs to be earned again to keep high activity in both raids. Don't have time to do both? Then choose which one you'd rather get your gear from. I think it's crazy to believe that old raid gear is worth less than stuff you can purchase from a vendor. Also the fact that once great weapons are reduced massively. (I still use VoC and Fatebringer but by next raid they'll be useless) Eventually these once great weapons will become nothing but shelf ornaments.. Which could be OK if we had any space in these vaults of ours. If they don't change it then whatever, I'll live and continue playing on but this is something I do hope they change. Edit: Possibly making a harder Lv of VoG could hand out these awards? Instead of Lv 30 VoG it could be Lv 32? This way it makes it tougher to be awarded these items.

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        • Come on pls bungie

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        • Edited by Daladek: 1/6/2015 8:48:03 PM
          Let's just stop and think for a second: Why on hell would they make VoG weapons 331? Seriously, shouldn't high level raids give better weapons with MORE power attack? This just doesn't make any sense. What you guys are asking is: everytime a new dlc is released, the old dlc weapons should be the same as the new weapons. I mean I love my fatebringer, but it just doens't make sense bumping those weapons to the same level as the new raid weapons.

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          • It is kind of silly that Vanguard weapons have higher attack than Hard VoG Raid weapons.....

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              • I'll bump it won't matter but what the hell

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              • We could compromise with Bungie/Activision. Honestly, I'm not so sure they care about our satisfaction more than getting money itself from the dlc. Instead, what if we they implemented the option to upgrade VOG RAID WEAPONS ONLY to 331 IF YOU BOUGHT THE DLC. Then they get our money, and we still get the weapons we want. Because honestly, I can say that most of the VoG weapons are way better than CE.

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              • You all do realize that when the Vog hard raid is buffed that means the weapons will be too. Js

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              • I agree!

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