If this bothers people so much. When you do a LFG crota raid. Type in (No Cheese Group) and wait for a real raid team to pick you up. Im not sure why people do this. I understand the templar in VOG because he was not hard but time consuming. However Crota is neither. The time people do the glitch from what I hear from a guy we picked up on LFG he said our group took out crota fast then his last random group doing the knee glitch. Whatever tho, people worry to much about what others do that have zero affect on yourself. I think this is also the point to delaying hard mode. They can fix theses kinks and make a better part2 raid. Again find a REAL raid group and if you have a good run without cheesing ask to see if you can add them for future raids. There will always be " SCUMS" in life and in video games. Find a non scummy group. That is all