[quote]If I get on tonight and cheese crota in 4 minutes, and you get on and run the same raid legit and win. did I have any effect on your game? [/quote] The answer is yes. Does it directly affect me no, does it devalue the item, yes In this type of game the best gear is suppose to be gained through the toughest challenges. overall, its the reason you're TRYING to level up! By having cheeses in the game and not fixing them you basically are giving away the best loot for very little challenge. Only atheon dropped the VEX and it was suppose to be a challenging item to acquire. however, the pushing of atheon made it so any scrub could get it so long as he could throw a grenade. If you don't like the system the way it is "suppose" to be there are hundreds of other games to play. So as i said earlier I hope we cheese the hell outa normal mode and fix them all up when hard mode comes out.