[quote]first and foremost none of the games you mentioned are on consoles. secondly all of them have been out for more than 4 months.[/quote] So? Are they not online games? And I thought your argument was that I didn't know anything about online games. I also see you have not even addressed your lack of experience with online games. (let me help you here, take your hands off your keyboard, go to your mommy, and cry that I'm bullying you with facts) [quote]by disconnecting the party leader from the internet is not considered network manipulation[/quote] No. Disconnects can happen and should not affect the state of the game that is controlled by the server. Poor implementation I've never seen in an online game (for the 1000th time) Unless you actually have a decent response to the following arguments, replying will reward you with muting. Good luck guardian (might wanna change that diaper of yours, it started leaking)