I can see this argument from just about every angle. The people doing this aren't doing it with a modded system, they are just simply leaving the game. If the boss happens to take a break during that time then so be it, they are really only hurting themselves for the inevitable day it gets patched. This raid fails on so many levels it's sickening, the fact that 1-2 people can get to Crota and kill him is a complete shocker. Still love the game though, best one I have played in a long time, it's perfect for the old school PC grinder like myself. The weapon, gear and item design for the Raid is an offense and it should be punishable by death. Every time I see some of these weapons all I can think about is the conversation that went on at Bungie HQ: Carl, Dev. 1 - "Shit, shit, shit...ran out of time here for the Raid, what the hell are we going to do about the new weapon design Larry?" Larry, Dev. 2 - "Relax Carl, relax. We have another 5 gallon bucket of Premium Grade Hive Dip en route. No need to get excited." Carl - "Whew, that hive dip is really coming in handy right now, all we have to do is take the current vanguard and crucible stock and slather 'em with hive parts!" Eris - "Crooooootaaaa!"