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Edited by RandyMarsh:
12/8/2014 4:39:12 PM
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Let's change the gaming industry
1. I know some of you are very dumb and do not read the post before you waste everyone's time typing garbage nobody cares about. I know that you feel like an entitled 12 year old delusional fanboy or a die hard halo fan to the bitter end who will fall on a grenade for bungie
But why are you defending activision..
2. I am a fan of halo bungie as well, but I can tell you right now that this is not the bungie that made halo. They wouldn't resort to these kind of deceptive marketing schemes.
3. Here's a paper on how visual perception sparks a cognitive response in your brain, and add the effect of human nature to explore new concepts or ideas (video games).
www.pnas.org/content/98/22/12340.full
by S Shimojo - 2001 - Cited by 9 - Related articles
Recent studies of visual perception have begun to reveal the connection between neuronal activity in the brain and conscious visual experience. Transcranial ...
4. Here are examples of what bungivision used to build hype around the game to boost sales of what "might" be featured in the game.
Before you get all your Lacey panties in a bunch here are the empty promises and deceptive images right here:
A. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=FLHlF92KXgHyftWkLVxE8I4Q&v=UwegkFBT--A#
B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLABTYufn90#t=89
C. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNkK4h1oVk#t=68
D. http://youtu.be/BTfhrONAp-c
Bungie rep clearly states "all of this is playable space, that we hope to one day get to send you to" - notice that bold bit is so often left out of this quote (video D)
"Bungie was pretty clear on this - that area is real geometry that they one day hope to send us to - via a content update or DLC or whatever - it is clear though that it isn't a part of the launch game when taken in context. This is no lie - it's just presented as such by people who got their panties in a twist because they were hoping for more than they had any realistic reason to hope for"
What this quote is saying is that they built all this space and used it in the video to drive initial consumers buy the game based on content but it may actually be in another game, dlc or not even be in the game at all.
5. If you actually had the intellectual capacity to make it through that, and feel strongly enough for the cause. We as gamers have the power to change the gaming industry as it stands back to its roots by removing large corporations from the equation. Investors will finance smaller gaming companies and bring back games made by gamers rather than games made by corporations that use deceptive marketing tools to stimulate your brain and make you purchase more and more dlc. Then release another game every two years and continue the 2000's consumer hamster wheel.
6. This will cause another video game crash, it's like our own internet French Revolution. You will find the reason for the crash very analogous to our present situation.
http://youtu.be/K4iW57DdCTw 1983. I Still believe it was too many bad games for the Atari 2600 that caused this crash.
We need a movement but our only setback is that we are plagued with a new generation of lazy gamers who just gobble up anything put in front of them and do not question and even defend this hunk of shit they purchased.
I made a post about how to sue them (not by the conventional means of lawsuits), bungie let it stay up for a week or so but realized since it was actually going to work bungie felt threatened and ninjad my thread... It wasn't even deej, it was a real bungie employee.
I simply don't give a -blam!- if my whole account is banned anymore
You get a group of 200,000 people plus from all different parts of the world to file a 150 dollar small claims lawsuit for "unfair and deceptive business practices" against activision for using dev blogs and premature ideas as a marketing strategy to build "hype" around the sale of a video game in conjunction with buying reviews before the game is released which there is lots of evidence available to the public.
They will have to hire a team of lawyers for each jurisdiction for each state/ province and country the multiple lawsuits are in. This will tie up courts for years 2-5 and they will have to pay all those lawyers, they will also be required to meet occasionally for the strongest response against the allegations which will fail due to different laws within the jurisdictions. The amount of time needed gets very costly very quick for even large corporations.
This has been done against Walmart and Wall Street mergers; to stop or put the brakes on corporate mergers, so it's proven to work... As a legal loophole.
And ps: tos does not apply to a lawsuit that deals with deceptive business practices
http://www.consumerinformation.ca/eic/site/032.nsf/eng/00072.html
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/LOC/complete/statreg/--%20B%20--/Business%20Practices%20and%20Consumer%20Protection%20Act%20[SBC%202004]%20c.%202/00_Act/04002_02.xml
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Hella Bump right on man i wonder if these dead heads realize they paid 35 dollars for around 19 mbs...
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3 RepliesIf u dont like the game gtfo. Nobody cares enough to take out time from their lives and shell out more money for a stupid butthurt 12 year old cause. The fact that you are taking the let down of a game this serious is also ridiculous. If 60 bucks is making you this upset, then that only proves you are a 12 year old that spent his birthday money on a game that wasnt quite what you thought it was. Now you demand justice! Call the cops, lawyers, and Obama! Pfft. Grow up.
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12 RepliesI'm sorry but I stopped reading half way through your post and this is why; I initially go into threads and topics just to lurk and read other people's opinions to maybe see what aspects I haven't thought about. After reading most of what you have written here my opinion on bungie and destiny still stands. I think destiny is a very fun game (not the best I've played but potentially can be, but nonetheless fun and has gotten a lot of hours of my time devoted into it). You feel shafted by Bungie for stating what they hope to do with a game that was still under development. I laugh hard at this because people who make this argument then go and be all butthurt about DeeJ not keeping the community more in touch with what the developers are planning. Next let's address the promoting of destiny. I never saw one commercial about destiny, I was in the dark completely up until the week before my roommate showed me a YouTube video of the beta and I thought I'd be interested so I went out and bought the game. I had no expectations for this game and I was perfectly happy with how this game played. If you are gonna attack the marketing of destiny though, you really need to focus your hatred towards activision as they are the one pushing the game. Bungie developed this game and activision foots the bill for development and marketing. Finally I want to tell you exactly why I stopped caring about what you had to say in this topic half way through (well stopped caring after the second or third paragraph but continued reading in case it got better). You can't just call people idiots and whatever other sad excuse you came up with to put down anyone who doesn't think the same way you do. Call me a fanboy for my opinions but in actuality you seem like the entitled 12 year old that is a cancer to the gaming community. You could have made some very good points that might have changed my opinion on an issue but you just threw out random names to put down anybody reading your post with a different opinion than yours. So that leaves me with a final question. If you are putting down people with different opinions than you obviously aren't trying to persuade them, but you provide the same regurgitated information posted by all the "butthurt 12 year olds" (see what I did there?) so who is your target audience for this post because that being said it just seems like spam not feedback
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27 RepliesThis is the dumbest thing I've read Ina while
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6 RepliesYou've got level 30, 28 and 18 toons meaning you've spent 100's of hours playing this game but now you want to sue the company that gave you 100's of hours of entertainment for $60. GTFO
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19 RepliesEdited by Unforgiven: 12/9/2014 1:40:32 AMLook at world of warcraft. The first 2 years of it only had 1 raid and 6 dungeons. It takes time to make a great MMO. Don't expect the best game of all time overnight. The game does have a bad story. They do need to expand on it, which will come in time. If you don't like the game, stop playing it and comeback in a year or so. I guarantee you Destiny will be a completely different game a year from now. It needs time to evolve, like any MMO or Multiplayer Game. It isn't the greatest game of all time. But what game is?
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1 ReplyA better change would be through crowd funding instead of legal action. Destiny fans could hire Bungie directly and cut out the middle man. It is nearly 2015 and we have a thing called the internet. Why do we need a middle man anyway? Just have Bungie say: 'Hey this is the game WE want to make, these are it's features, we need X million. Everyone that donates Y dollars gets a copy. ' Problem solved. Established companies like Bungie should have no need for publishers.
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1 ReplyEdited by AlTrio: 12/9/2014 6:04:54 PMI enjoy the game, yes. It has problems, just like any other freaking game does. Yes, they marketed the game to sound as appealing as possible while in reality it was much worst, just like every other freaking game does. Seeing a pattern here? Out of curiousity, what do you think would actually happen if we removed large corporations from the equation? There are billions of dollars in the gaming industry, there are always going to be large companies with that kind of money flowing, and when that kind of money is flowing they're going to do everything they can to sell as many games as they can. Spamming the forums with posts on how to 'sue' them only makes you look like a stereotypical american, while annoying everybody else with something that isn't going to happen. Also, the whole "They're trying to silence me, spread the word" thing gets old pretty damn fast.
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STOP DESTINY
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5 RepliesI can appreciate your efforts to change the gaming industry for the better, and you're clearly an academic who has done their research instead of firing misdirected hatred on a forum. I respect that a lot. However, I can't say that sueing the company is really the answer. Say what you will about the grandiose claims that were made by the developers, but all of that comes down to building hype. Is it immoral? Absolutely. But is it legal? Unfortunately yes. The only way gamers are ever going to change anything is by acting with their wallets. People can't complain about a game, and then go spend $40 on DLC to keep complaining about. Any claim anyone makes about Activision's advertising will boil down to Bungie addressing it in DLC. On a side note, the information given via spoken word at a games conference is not addmissable in any court of law. Activision has their bases covered. I actually enjoy the game a lot. I understand everyone's frustration, even to the point of quitting the game altogether. I'm just grateful that whatever sets them off hasn't impacted me yet. Call it naive, or call it optimism, but I am liking Destiny.
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3 RepliesI agree, at 39 I remember working games, but doubt it will work today. Too many kids living off mommy and daddy's money that don't care, which is why they are catered too.
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Bumpity bump bump.
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3 RepliesAm i the only one that actually enjoys the game
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8 RepliesBungie has shown nothing but their own stupidity. They whined and cried about being under Microsoft's thumb, only to run under Activision's thumb when they gained their freedom. Idiots... They had Halo, and with that they were basically doing nothing but catching the money falling from the sky. Instead of being content with that, they boo-hoo-ed about Microsoft wanting more Halo's. Now they are at Activision, screwing over their former fan-base and beginning to work on Destiny 2. So much for that 10 year lifespan they claimed this one would have...
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1 ReplyWhy they are defending Bungie. 1. they are employed by Bungie to do damage control. 2. They like the game meaning they are too OCD to be able to own property and someone needs to take their money and property away from them for their own good. 3. Hell kinda sounds people are getting banned now for badmouthing them. I don't play so it does not effect my gaming at all since I am not playing this POS game. Funny that is methinks. =)
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2 RepliesSo you don't like the game? I think it's fun.
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1 ReplyWhile I agree with what you are saying, trying to get a bunch of gamers to pursue some sort of misrepresentation lawsuit will simply never happen. Gamers are just not motivated enough to follow through with something like that. I totally see the direction the industry is going and it makes me sick. Hollywood did the same thing which has led me to sift through many reviews before I consider paying ticket price. For me, what Bungie-Activision did with this game was hurt their reputation, and that's a deeper sting than the financial consequences of a lawsuit IMO. I for one will never blindly buy another Bungie product ever again until I've read hundreds of reviews and feel safe its not another cash grab.
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If someone was starting this, e.g. by creating a website where people can gather, get organized and exchange information, I would be totally in for it.
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I personally love the trailer for the Dark Below DLC, you see a Hive God with a sword surrounded by his army which is what you expect to fight, what you actually fight isn't what was shown in the trailer. False advertising and i'm tired of Bungie and the half arsed crap they're coming up/out with.
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[quote] a die hard halo fan to the bitter end who will fall on a grenade for bungie [/quote] This made me laugh so hard ...
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1 ReplyAmazing post and to the point also. As the legal practice of taking big companies to court is almost impossible in certain countries and very difficult in others it would be hard to get the ball rolling. The main issue is too many dumb little kids playing any old crap put in front of them because their not paying for it. Not only that but its games that have no depth to them an promote 'hand holding' to sell making games near worthless and have a shelf life of approximately a month with no replay value. I for one have fallen victim to these companies shady practices but will not again.... and I have started small.... by not buying EA or Activision products and if I procured their wares free I would not [b]ever[/b] buy their 'add ons' It's time power was given back to the consumers and developers. Like the good old days Up, down, left, right, Start and A.... bling!!!
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2 RepliesEdited by Moose Nukem: 12/8/2014 11:29:40 PMYou should show your own grey matter works and NOT preorder. Thats what makes companies rich. I watched and read the luke warm reviews B4 i bought it. As a fan of the Diablo concept of laying waste to enemies and going to harder versions of the content to have a chance at crazy loot type games, i dig this game on its own merits. I wasnt a big Halo fan and i love games with expansive open worlds(skyrim) and epic stories(mass effect), this game isnt like those and its not suppose to be. I have my frustrations with Destiny, and certain things dont feel fully realized but, all these posts about a revolution and feeling like Activision took your dreams and shit on them are so -blam!-ing sad lol. This game is the shit in ways that i didnt even think it would be. Ya its not a prolonged solo expireince and it didnt bring world peace, but thats alright its a -blam!-ing videogame. Edit- you obviously have no idea how much manpower, money and time it takes to merely make you guardian move 10 feet and spin in the enviroment and have it not look like shit by todays standards lol. There is a "revolution" dillweed. Its happening at the xbox arcade lvl for a reason.
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It's not just destiny. But yeah, The gaming industry is going down hill for many companies.
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2 Repliesyour never going to fix it as long as majority of gamers still keep buying and defending shit.
