#shutupjuice ... I can't help but think there is a Holocaust joke in there somewhere.

Totally agree. Bye whiny, crybaby bitches. I'm sorry your parents only gave you money for one game.

It would be fine if I didn't spend X amount of dollars on the Guardian edition. I feel that bungee really pulled a bait and switch here. promised one game they deliver a different product, no point in selling since I'm already out the extra money for the extra expansion packs. I'm already only playing the game maybe 15 minutes a day just to try and get a few shards here and there are getting a few items completed. I was really hoping this new expansion will make things better but an honest I'm not convinced.

"Not at all. Do you guys ever get tired of us insisting it's not an MMO? Debate about this game is always fun, and we welcome it," Bungie said. "The ideas that are shaping Destiny come from a lot of different places. We're drawing the best elements from experiences we love. Like an MMO, our game will compel you to explore." "You'll embody a character that evolves on that journey. Unlike an MMO, the entire experience is built around heart-pounding action that you'll see through the eyes of your hero," Bungie went on. "Ultimately, we're looking forward to knowing how you describe Destiny, once you've played it." Accept what? That they have an open forum where players from all over the world can come in and share stories, art and even grievances. Here is the hole in your argument. This game was marketed as a "shared world" experience. The amount of ViDoc from early in development clearly lead many of us to believe the game would be drastically different. With that being said, yes I am still playing despite some pretty heavy and reasonable grievances most of which have been patched out. My problem with people like you in particular is that you lack the knowledge of what this company was/is capable of. They pretty much built the fanbase for the original xbox. It was fresh, ground breaking, with a not too shabby story I might add. What happened to that? On this forum there is a lot of whining and nerf chat. I could see maybe taking a crack at that, but the player base that hates the grind and mmo-ish elements, give me a break. A first person game with element farming, I feel like I am picking strawberries in grannies garden NOT being the hero this game wanted neigh NEEDED me to be....Thanks immersion.... What is the success rate on most mmos? You do know you can track 90% of their gameplay and features up a family tree right? Just a bunch of rehashed rehashes with new-old features and improved graphics. Lastly, who the hell is anyone to tell anyone else to trade in a game they paid for, at a loss I might add, simply because they like the fact that this game is like that other game they loved so much or vice versa. I'm sure the elitist nonsense you spill is fine on Warcraft or rune-scape or whatever it is you are comparing your experience to, but here everyone has a voice and you can simply filter that voice out if you want or not. Now if you want to have an adult conversation about how we got to this point as a community, myself included. I am willing to have that talk. MY .02: There is no grind in game. There is grind in work. I don't mind the grind if its fun, but the grind in destiny is lacking. Kill the dregs run up the stairs... I literally have lines of dialogue from the intro to strikes memorized. And for all the times I have "crippled" the fallen they sure do bounce back. It's like I am stuck in groundhog day...Resetting my weapons wouldn't bother me much if there were more variety in the strike playlists. I don't mind crucible but why only play half the game. I mean this isn't call of duty is it? Crap single player but phenomenal multiplayer.

To render weapons useless after 3 months is ridicilous really! Played enough mmos to know those big changes are anounced way before update and atleast 1 year or longer before it happens this is just BS 3 month invest time for nothing rrally

They're the same people whining about voice chat and all that ish whiners continue to whine

No one cares about the grind, people are angry that their previous grind is all but wasted. There is [i]NO[/i] reason Bungie couldn't implement one of the many ideas that have sprouted up since this announcement.