All because of the templar fix.
Unless you have an experienced raid team and good weapons the hard mode raid is an excruciatingly painful experience.
Templar is easily the hardest part of the raid. Without the cheese my raid team and I get stuck at templar for hours sometimes. We never cheesed atheon or NM Templar. We only cheesed HM templar to get to the rest of the raid without wanting to throw our ps4s out the window.
The hard raid is no longer worth it imo.
Hopefully bungie get things right with crotas end.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is that HM templar is harder than it should be and sometimes causes so much frustration that I would rather not do the raid at all. I have beat HM templar many times legit. Just sharing my opinion about the fight.
Edit: Didn't think this would cause such a stir.
Reading through the responses has made me realize how toxic this community is.
Apperently opinions aren't welcome here.
Though I did see some light in the darkness.
IE. people respecting my opinion even if they disagreed
Edit: I want to make it clear that I don't like to cheese or ever relied on the cheese. My raid Team and I are very experienced in the VoG and have beat HM templar many times. I just feel templar needs a little tweeking.
If you think I'm just a scrub and I should "get gud" then that's your opinion and I will respect it.
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Hey guy, I know it seems ridiculous, and yes I used to push the Templar on hard just to get through it faster, but I do know how to kill him on hard fairly easily. And I have gone back to this now and I will share it with you. Make sure you explain it to your group and you may have to do it a few times to get used to where to go when he teleports. Before the relic holder picks up the relic, have the other five people go to where the right conflux spawns, you will be here the entire time. Pick up the relic and join your team. The relic holder will help with supplicants and oracles. You will only kill the oracles on that side, don't try the others you'll just have to cleanse for those. When you are supercharged make sure your team is ready and tell them to stay close to you. Hit the Templar to remove shield, as soon as you do, and the shield is down, ground smash to remove bubbles. Every one unloads on Templar and you take care of as many harpies as possible without putting yourself in danger. You can do this even after losing three people an still kill him.