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Edited by Vitatical: 12/2/2014 9:33:25 PM
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Why you should not hate on Bungie (edited)

I'm not defending Bungie or Activision here but people need to know why all this crap happened. The problems of Destiny came about Because of economics not out of greedy conspiracy. What happened is that (redacted for edit) they could not predict the massive sales of PS4/xb1 that would come with this game, so they had to cut content so they could quickly and port it to current gen systems. Destiny was made and designed originally for next gen only. Xbox one (called Xbox 720 in contract) was the default development console. PS3 and 360 were not being considered at the time, they believed more gamers would have purchased a next gen by launch. All these systems have totally different hardware and firmware, and porting to them all would take a considerable amount of time and money and quality compromise. Bungie had to hire additional contractors to help with the porting. They had to make sure everyone got the same content on all consoles to make it fair. They needed to sell this game because they were past the proposed launch date. We are basically paying for DLC because a bunch of gamers decided to wait out buying next gen after E3 2013. It would have been a disaster if they only released the game on next gen. The sales would have been awful and make Activision look weak in a competitive industry. If Destiny was repededly being called a next gen title they expected enough people would have next gen consoles by launch date to play it and meet expected sales. Everything is on the game discs that they had completed before the cuts, and had to leave it for later or just leave it because they were behind schedule and needed to launch a cross platform game that everyone could play before holidays. Activision couldn't sit by forever and hemorrhage cash onto bungie so they both decided to take a hit from disappointment rather than loss of sales that could cripple the 10 year plan. Now for QA What happened to trading? Originally there was a trade system but it was to complicated to put across all systems and quality would be at risk. Activision Blizzard also was concerned about the trading disaster in early days of Diablo 3. These 2 factors resulted in cutting it from all systems. What about huge open world? In order to complete the game faster they had to cut things they couldn't finish. I'm sure it was bigger but there was not enough time. Why won't they say anything? It's because they cannot appear weak as an investment for shareholders. That kind of instability is discouraging. Is the DLC worth it? Well if you look back on older Bungie DLC And adjust for inflation I would say it is. However the game itself compared to other next gen games is not worth it. Technically it is not a next gen because it was ported to last gen with all the same base content. Why did they cut so much story? The cuts meant They could only use the content that was finished or about to be finished soon. Anything they could fit in that made semi sense they did, the story will have to come with the DLC or base content expansion. The main story writer left when his story was cut for obvious reasons, he shouldn't have a problem finding a job. Why so much hate on PvE? Not hate, but to ensure that CoD fans would be happy Activision wanted to please The majority of its customers, who in all fairness greatly outnumber Bungie fans. Why am I getting all these disconnects and glitches? Are you playing on a PS4? If not you may get more issues. I have PS4 and its incredibly smooth rarely kicks me to orbit. Hardware and firmware are very different on all platforms and there can be bugs from the port process. No customization? There really was not enough time to implement all this stuff and port it to last gen. Something like this would be unforgivable to not give to everyone. Will they fix any of this? Yes they will and they are working on it, now that they launched the game they can monitor and make adjustments and get back to story and content. Why should I buy DLC? 500M over 10 years is 50m a year, that's actually not a lot, they also need money to pay for all that extra stuff they didn't plan on doing like supporting 360 and ps3. Contractors and many other expenses. Why Xbox stuff not come sooner? PlayStation stuff has pretty much already been made and is being touched up, modified and other things. Xbox stuff still needs to go through porting and QA . Why pay for the DLC? Well after all the crap went down they incured extra expenses, in order to make up for that the DLC for Destiny 1 will have to be paid. Destiny 2 may be different with the DLC but we don't know for sure. So I want you all to know the good stuff will be coming but we have to be patient and just deal with what we got. Remember that Bungie is a noob at this whole MMO stuff so it's gonna be rocky at first like we have seen. Edit 1: when the hardware specs came out for next gen consoles bungie went with Sony because it was easier to develop on it. Ps4 not only gets exclusives but is also bungies development platform. Everything else is a port. And contractors handle ports. Contractors cost money and they had to port 2 more older consoles and had to clone the base content across all platforms. Bungie also had to take some people out of developing so they could bring contractors up to date and oversee them.

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  • I didn't think about the port for xbox1. Xbox 1 had a horrible launch. Bugs and problems everywhere.

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    • umm, you need some sources for such an outlandish theory.... Why? Well both PS4 and Xbox 1 have crushed expected sales figures. Let me repeat that for you. They are both absolutely killing it and have both crushed the numbers. All the talk about xbox 1 lagging, is just about the gap in sales not the total numbers sold. So fart this gen is a huge huge win. Based on this your whole concept of it being the "gamers fault " for not buying consoles, is now well.... not correct. Destiny sales on the other hand are lower than investor expectations and have not been what was hoped for. My 1 cents on that is gamers have been getting shafted with half finished rushed games. filled with glitches and regurgitated content.

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      • Actually Destiny was originally for the PS3 and Xbox 360 since next gen consoles didn't exist when developer to started

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        • This isn't true at all. The PS4 has well over 15 million consoles in homes and is one of the fastest selling consoles of all time. Where did this info come from?

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        • If this is true it unfortunately means that this game will stay last gen ie lack of vehicles. Customisation. Destructible environments and everything else last gen consoles can't handle. Hopefully destiny 2 will be only on current gen as this game should have been

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        • I work in the high-end audio world and have a fellow salesman who is an experienced mulit-player gamer. He and I have discussed some of this and I find that you are probably correct in most if not all of the above. I too feel that the will make changes in the future that will please most of us - especially when most move to the current consoles.

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          • False advertisement is false advertisement. Even if this is all true, that doesn't change the fact that this game doesn't even come remotely close to delivering its promises. People are well within their rights to be angry at the bait-and-switch.

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          • Dude we have played games before, we know when something is fishy. The reasons don't matter, Destiny is still lacking, the future will tell

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          • Speculation. Just like every other theory. Other companies manage to put out games with more content that run across all platforms that didn't take as long to put together. My sepculation is that there was a grand vision/game here and the marketers won the argument over how to monetize it, combined with the deadline causing cuts to content. There are ways to make the game fit older consoles other than gutting the game. Halo had much more story than Destiny does. I can't think of a single game I owned or rented on the original xbox that had less content than Destiny does.

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            • There are so many people out there who's minds are too pathetic to think of this and just go 'Bungie sold out'...they do not even think of the things Bungie had to go through to give them a game.

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              • Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Destiny supposed to be Xbox exclusive at first? I'm not sure. I'm just curious.

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                • Bungie sold out. That is all.

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                • Lmfao I just left this game to try dragon age inquisition my brother bought it and btw it has a shit ton more content it also has multiplayer and a far bigger world and amazing graphics And more to do so cost wise no destiny isn't even worth the 60 I paid for it destiny seems like another cod just combined with halo so. Destiny will be traded in tomarrow to get my own copy of dragon age destiny is a failure on a lot of levels their is still hope for it but not until the second game comes out that game will decide the furure of the world of destiny.

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                • All I see from this and the post your replying to, is that you have no source and therefore there's no way to confirm your information. This game was simply a money scam that worked. Nearly half the things promised and advertised are not there

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                • Several things but starting with your edit part...yes the specs are nice but not including that sony paid big time for exclusive content in your arguement; only shows a bias for PS and makes me wonder what other facts you will ignore as we progress in your discussion. Now i only read a few paragraphs in before the above paragrapgh's (my paragraph^) ending sentence; came to mind. The reason last gen was made was because of the overwhelming number of current ps3/360 consoles and the continued purchase of them. Not everyone can fork over $300-400 for the one or ps4 (notice that was a range number to include both systems and sale prices). Let alone the short comings of the systems, like the one, sorry microsoft. Aside from a very ps fanboy smell I seem to get from reading your words, lets look at a few facts and some of my speculation/ opinion. 1. Fact: Activision had a say in the developent in the game. Opinion: I personally think that Activision ruined bungie's rep with the world so CoD would sale more (amongst other activision games) all while cashing the checks it got from destiny launch. 2. Fact: Last gen consoles still hold highest numbers of comsumers (especially with microsoft). Opinion: you can't make a game and expect to make back the hugely over 5mil (i forget how much destiny cost) cost for it without catering the majority; I mean to last gen. Also if they made 2 versions of the game then i could understand having no open world for last gen. Easy fix, 2 price tags 2 versions. But bungie has done a damn good job of trying to please fans and consumers. 3. Fact: Prior to launch Bungie had made several video's, trailers, press releases, and articles talking about an expandsive workd where we can become legend, where we have a story behind each piece of gear we have and use. Opinion: This is something that I feel games developers are doing now a days to falsely advertise hype for low grade, broken, unpolished, or "works in progress" games. And it is something I can definitely blame the developers for!! I wanted to become legend, now I get told that my style of playing the game I bought is wrong and i'm forced to play someone elses way and opinion of how to play. So yes I can and will blame it on Activision and Bungie!

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                • Couldn't handle a huge open world? Gta v was on ps3 and xbox 360 and it was a huge map .....I want there to be no invisible walls at the mpst random places

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                  • Edited by Neri: 11/29/2014 5:13:20 AM
                    Oh god this is to good Good reasons man ;) HahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaHahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaHahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaHahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha

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                  • Edited by Dismal Trauma: 11/29/2014 2:29:53 AM
                    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ... *catches breath* ... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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                    • Edited by MYTH: 11/29/2014 3:32:59 AM
                      You were wrong in the first paragraph playstation has exclusives.

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                    • Well said. Not many people realise just how much this game is pushing last gen consoles. I played on Xbox One first, when I played on 360 later I was horrified at the load times. They're easily ten times longer on 360. The graphics are blurry as hell on 360 too, in comparison. I'm sure not all the issues are down to last gen support but it's clear a great deal of them are.

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                      • -blam!- Activision

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                        • I'm not sure about this PS4 is special kind of thing but: I agree it was most likely rushed. We probably should wait until Destiny 2. The upcoming DLC looks awesome, I already bought expansion 1. We shouldn't just keep hating bungie we just need to give them time and enjoy their current game.

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                          • Sources for the contractors being brought in? Now that I think of it, do you have sources for all the stuff you said? If this is just a theory that's cool, but you wrote like you have it on authority what you're saying is true :D. I'd like to read it too!

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                            • Really? Activision look week? THEY MAKE CALL OF DUTY!!!! They are already a laughing stock. There is no excuse for what they did to this game. Maybe they could all that call of duty money out of their ass and put it towards destiny.

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                              • Source, plz.

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                                • Wrong ! Destiny wasn't even going to be on playstation first,it was a decision made late in development. You are literally on the internet. The wealth of human information is seriously at your fingertips,use it once in ahwile

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