So in a lot of ways Warframe turned out to be what I wanted out of Destiny. That's not to say I hate Destiny or the creative minds behind it (rather the opposite) but I can't shake the felling Warframe is what Destiny will eventually strive to be, and that's not a bad thing. See Warframe is like an MMO destiny is not! Destiny is a first person shooter with a shit load of content! And ELEMENTS of an MMO, Will it eventually become one? Here's hoping right I'll agree destiny is in a very peculiar position and I blame a lot of factors for this and that's all I'll say on that. The point I'm trying to make is you ever notice how shitty looking the visuals in a true MMO are? Not vary good. and the animations are stiff not very much voiceover work and so on. I believe destiny should have look a lot like World of Warcraft if you people want an MMO that's what you should expect to get not a 1080p 30fps jaw-dropping gorgeous beautifully rendered first person world. Right we're at a time in our lives where we think we can do the impossible (we can't) bungie tried and had modest success. Thing is we at least need another 10 years before we should probably even think about attempt stuff like this. But that's why I'm not an innovator. So now I'm off topic and don't know what I was even talking about because i'm so unbelievably mad at other people right now I can't even. So no ill leave this on a flat note.