No matter which way they choose, their always gonna have people complaining. They did nerf some weapons, but that was for obvious reasons. They are not entirely sure yet what to do with the upgrades (by assumption), and are currently discussing it along with the DLC we're awaiting. They were obviously not ready to release the buffs, if there are any ready for deployment at this point. Now if they have them currently ready, and their holding them out; that's a different story. If they were to release update after update we would have MORE complaints. Their best bet is to simply wait for The Dark Below DLC to drop, to drop the buffs. That way multiple issues are being addressed at once, instead of nitpicking little exotics because 12 people are complaining about getting it and not using it. To be quite frank in the end, I don't think Thorn needs a buff in the crucible. I hold down a combination of Thorn, Found verdict, and a machine gun (which I forgot the name of) and the Thorn does just fine. Lingering damage REALLY pisses people off and leaves them confused, before receiving a shotgun shell to the side of the head. If not, I take the 3 shot headshot for the kill, or 2 in the head slip a third in the body and let lingering damage take it away. 6 bullets is more then enough, you can kill 2 people easily with it as long as you're a good shot. If you're not a good shot, why did you sign up for a hand cannon anyway? It isn't a spray and pray weapon such as auto and pulse rifles. It is for people with an accurate shot under heavy fire. But, again it is NOT a PvE weapon. If PvE is your bag, stick to any other weapon. But if you enjoy the crucible, work on your strategies with the Thorn and I can promise you'll have a blast. I end as I began, Bungie is always gonna have people complaining. If you guys are so fantastic at this go design a game from head to toe that millions of people play on the daily for a minimum of 3 hours, then go work on your buffs and nerfs for each individual weapon while having another million complaining about individual guns after nerf/buff. I wish you luck. This is sad guys, I remember when playing a game meant PLAYING a game. Not complaining about it.