I personally do not mind having new raiders joining my party for the raid but the problems i do have stem from them lying. Yesterday I started a normal raid and a random kid joined on another fire team member, I was fine with it but it was as we were activating the spire. After the spire we all met up at the door so I could talk with my group. I asked him if he has had raid experience before and no response for about a minute. Finally he says yeah, but he sounded extremely young, like under 10 years old young. Since he said he knew what he was doing I said okay lets go and that we are trying to get the chest for not letting the templar teleport to which he says, "I'll just shoot the enemies, I'm not good with the templar". I'm not sure how thats really possible but i figured to each their own. He then got lost in the cave jumping down to the templar, and also was not attempting to shoot oracles or even regular enemies. He was the reason of us having to wipe 10 plus times due to oracles. One member of our fire team left because he was sick of this kid, then the other three members contacted me asking me to kick him. I wanted to give him a chance so I asked again if he knew what he was doing, to which he replied yes. As my fire team started yelling at them I quieted them down to finish my questioning. I then asked what he was doing at this part so I could help correct him, his response was "I don't know, I'm killing the goblins because the hobgoblins and minotaurs are too difficult"........ I asked him about the oracles and he said, "They aren't shooting at me so I didn't have to kill them". At this point I knew this kid had been lying the entire time and was trying to get carried through the raid. We had two other people who never ran it before and they listened perfectly, but this kid had times when he just hid not shooting at all, times where he died about 5 seconds after enemies started coming, and times where he was trying to push people off the edge while enemies were spawning. In this time period his friend joined to fill the missing person, said he needed to go pick up his grandpa, and that he was also watching a show while doing the raid. I asked why he would join when he had to pick up his grandpa, if he had raid experience, and told him I'm not gonna have somebody on my fire team who is prioritizing a show over a raid where I am trying to help fresh raid runners. His responses were, "It's easy to run the raid you can solo it, he runs it about 10 times a week, and that people can do two things at once". At that point I was done with these two lying kids and kicked them from the fire team and party, set my fire team to invite only, and the rest of the fire team blocked him on psn so he couldn't join the chat party. To all new raid runners out there, admit you have no experience there are people out there who are fine with carrying a couple newbies, but if you are lying and have no idea what you are doing then say so and we can help you. We finished the raid in about an hour after that point due to some issues in gorgons maze. If anybody else has some stories of new raiders, whether good or bad, feel free to share them. Hopefully anybody who is nervous of running the raid will read this and see what to do and what not to do, and that in addition to a vet running them through will make them a very effective raider from the start.