God bless, I'm a 29 Hunter, been grinding my butt off for my boots but RNGesus hasn't blessed me.. Gotta wait until Tuesday. /:

[quote]Makes me sick to see people kicking hunters out of VoG groups because they are "useless". I am going to prove them wrong. Here is how they are amazing in VoG 1. Destroying oracles fast: Got three oracles you need to destroy in less then 5 seconds or else your team die? Not a problem for a gunslinger. They can one shot those oracles 2. Great relic holders: Hunters are best fitted for the relic. They are very fast and quick. The whole team spread out and you need to cleanse them? Not a problem for the Hunter. They are also really good for in the teleporter for Atheon. 3. Clearing out enemies: Got a bunch of supplicants swarming your team on atheon? Get gunslinger and Time Vengeances and you can take out all those supplicants out. Need to help out clear enemies with the shield guy in the teleporter? Not a problem. Now you know how they are amazing in VoG. What are they are not good out? 1. Cheesing I laugh at the people who say hunters are useless in VoG. They are the people who want to do it the easy way by cheesing the bosses. I just want to say you guys that think so are pathetic and just so sad. Well that is it. What you guys think? For those Hunters that do VoG, you guys are the real MVP.[/quote]Hunters are weaker in PVE

In my opinion, the hunters are the least effective class in the VOG. They are good.... but by far the weakest of the 3 classes. I prefer it when a warlock sunsinger is holding the Relic, because if he is killed he can self revive and pick it straight back up again. This is handy in all PVE situations, especially nightfall's or VOG on hard. The Warlock voidwalker can also wipe out huge amounts of enemies in the VOG due to doing void damage and having an extremely large AOE super. The solar grenade when using thesunbreakers is amazing for closing off choke points. The void grenade for the voidwalker is great as well for this, it does not last as long, but the extra damage to praetorian shields is a huge advantage. Titan Defenders are arguable the most effective class in the VOG, they do void damage so you take down shields in the VOG fast. They can also defend the entire team & safely revive team mates under fire. Strikers also have the ability to wipe out huge groups of enemies. The hunters golden gun is good...... however anyone with a raid weapon, such as atheons epilogue, vison of confluence, fatebringer, praedyths revenge, praetorians foil etc.... will be able to take out an oracle just as fast as a hunter. Also they are the only class that does not have any sort of support perk with either of their classes. Warlocks can reduce the cool downs of those around them, and titans can shield them. Hunters can't really do anything to support. Also hunters are currently the only class without a void based subclass, so they have to rely on void weapons in the VOG. Not much of an issue, however it does weaken their standing in the VOD. I know plenty of hunters who are great at this game, however their titan defenders and warlocks are far more effective in most PVE scenarios.

I love hunters and agree they are useful but not for relic holding. In my opinion they are to "weak" to hold the relic. I feel a lot more comfortable when im holding the relic as a lock or a titan. But i do love hunters for the raid.

You never mentioned Bladedancer, which is the only subclass I feel isn't very useful in the VoG

I am still amused that people continue to talk about this. It's more about the person holding the controller than the character class they choose.

It's funny listening to people talk down to warlocks because we can self-revive. You pretend you don't die in the raid causing us to have to wipe. I'm using this ability to help our damn team wipe less often.

I agree, yay to hunters. Dont get me wrong i think all types of player are valuable though. [b]TITAN[/b] 1) The flash grenade from titan makes praetorian killing smooth and easy, even better with the exotic chest(2 grenades) 2) The exotic helm on defender class adds a blind effect to the titan bubble, that is also incredibly useful for gate keeper, walking into a portal killing the boss and ignoring the adds/ or blocking supplicants from coming to the portal. 3) Weapons of light on defender class bubble when in vengence mode means you are doing 40% more damage, you can kill aetheon in less time/teleports with this technique. so it makes the boss fight easier as there is less chance to mess up, one less teleport could be the difference between success and failure. [b] Warlock[/b] 1). self revive obviously, whether holding relic, or just in general, that second chance is a boon 2). sticky grenades, (not like the ones hunters or titans use on the stick) these do huge damage because they arent directed in one direction, strip a Minotaur/praetorian and lob one = easy mode 3) can glide up to the starting ledge from the 1st boss area, and revive someone without having to wipe the raid to get some one in. 4) has offensive void damage abilities, good vs shielded although no one goes without the self revive i tend to notice. [b]hunter[/b] 1) golden gun orcals 2) golden gun snipers in time stream 3) turn invisible and hide in a portal to kill the gate keepers at the same time. 4) push stationary gorgons away from the route whilst invisible. (hard mode only) 5). use golden gun properly when protecting the confluxes at first boss can keep the team in constant super energy from the orbs = easy mode

i have a level 29 hunter i play VOG all the time i never been kicked before.... if you have been kicked it was because you suck or because you suck..... lol

Also hunters are: 1. Squishy 2. Only useful for taking out adds fast, something every class can do. 3. Does not have any support abilities 4. Did i mention squishy. Also in the raid, does it really matter if you have the relic and can move fast, no. Its important you dont die

In the normal raid your correct. But in hard the GG takes 2 shots to kill an orical (if level 29) and BD cant revive anyone with stealth. Titan bubble and ss lock are better options.