Q: When it comes to strikes, you're a _______.
But I'm "both". There is no option for me!
[spoiler]Assume you have all the time in the world and you're soloing if you're "in the middle or both." This will help you identify what you really PREFER. Certainly, when faced with a time crunch but really want to play, we'll change out tactics from our true desires. However, with unlimited time, we'd be more likely to do what we WANT.
Edit: there is no "Both" option. I want you to pick a side and defend it. Certainly there are a ton of us (myself included) that play to the rest of the group. But base your decision on soloing. Don't take the middle ground. That's too easy :P [/spoiler]
Why there is no RIGHT answer:
[spoiler]I'd recommend the book [u]Switch[/u] by Chip and Dan Heath.
Arguing logic doesn't work. You have to motivate the emotional side of an individual to make it really work (in conjunction with logic).
Your logic is sound, but you haven't targeted the [b][i][u]reason[/u][/i][/b] people walk/shoot (completionist) every strike. Some people are just plain having fun.
If you could [b][i][u]show[/u][/i][/b] someone how much more [i]fun[/i] it is to run vice walk, you'd swing the community. Unfortunately, that must be felt and experienced. The written word (here) will most likely only apply to logic (unless you're an incredible writer). Logic is just not a strong enough element to do it alone.[/spoiler]
Concerning the term: "Efficient" and why it's not an option on my poll.
[spoiler]Most runners are running because of [i]time[/i] efficiency. That's probably the right title depending on your operational definition of efficient. One size does not fit all here.
"Efficient" is defined by the measurement:
Efficient completionists aren't worried about time, but kills instead... Not skipping any enemies. 100% encountered enemies die at their hands.
Efficient runners are looking for personal records on strike TIME completion. "Gotta shave 30 seconds off. Skip the stupid colossus and just run by it."
It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Use this weeks Weekly Heroic as an example.
After you activate the console in the public area by the interceptors, do you:
A) Fight every enemy in the first big interior chamber and then continue on, also killing every enemy in front of the bosses siege tank (public area)? Efficient mob killer = completionist.
Or
B) Run and jump past those guys to get to the lieutenant fight (darkness zone), then run and jump to boss area? Efficient TIME completion = runner.
Certainly there are those that want to split hairs and kill stuff while they're running through, but killing level 28 cabal majors and ultras takes some freaking time. If you're stopping to down all those dudes you're a completionists.[/spoiler]
THIS POLL IS TO INCREASE AWARENESS
This is the problem:
People fall into 2 real categories. You either want the end of strike rewards only and time is of the essence, or you want to take the scenic route and kill everything on the way.
Neither of these practices is bad!!!! Your brain and play style dictate what group you fall into. This does not mean the other group is [b][i][u]wrong[/u][/i][/b]!
They're just different. Understand this and stop taking it personally.
[spoiler]Idling is straight garbage. I don't care about the no-death strike bounties. Participate or get reported. Standing around farming materials and trash mobs also counts as idling no matter how you try to explain it.[/spoiler]
So, which group to you fall into?
I want this post to stick so everyone understands that there are 2 different schools of thought here and you should try to understand the majority.
If 2 people sparrow off, they're runners. If you're a completionist, just quit, or speed ahead, help, and try your luck with a different group.
If you sparrow up and the others walk towards the first mob, they obviously want to kill stuff. Quit, or hop off the sparrow and help.
Of course no one is holding a gun to your head to be a team player, but team playing requires a "majority rules" mentality. Being the only runner makes you look like a jack ass. Sure, you soloed the boss. But your other 2 "team" members were left behind. It's not good etiquette.
I say follow the crowd vice throwing a tantrum that someone isn't playing "your" way. Especially if you're the only one that wants to do it that way.
Check left. Check right. Play as a team, OR DONT USE RANDOM MATCHMAKING AND GET MAD WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG!
I'm a runner. Ran Sepkis Prime 25 times for Bad Juju, but slowed down when my team mates wanted to.
Cheers guys. I did this in fun, but I hope it sticks. There are way too many hate threads about this.
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Typically I'm a completionist, but I've fought Valus 10 times in a row, I'm rather done taking my time with it...
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I'm typically a runner in so much as there's just so much "daily maintenance" to get done each day. However, I do see value in hitting higher level mobs not just for a potential drop but to help earn XP to level up all the legendary/exotic guns I've got sitting in my queue. You can combine bounties with mob kills in strikes and get additional XP....
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Three times I have stayed behind to kill a few enemies that my fellow guardians left behind and a legendary engram emerged. I no longer skip enemies. They were only energies and shards but still. Could've been something greater
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there's a little leaderboard when I turn my PS4 on. "Most Strike Kills" runners don't show up on that list. GG.
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Killing everything is such a waste of time. I didn't complete 301 strikes by making sure everything that made my radar red was 6 feet underground.
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Destiny has made for some reeeeeally weird debates/conversation topics. I have no idea what to make of all this.
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I'm a "runner." I'm there to grind out my 100 marks as fast as possible and get my guaranteed engram at the end. I discovered that once I got to L27 or so it didn't really matter whether the other 2 players were there or not, so I go ahead, skip everything that doesn't need to be killed, and focus on downing the mini-bosses and clearing to the final boss in short order. If they catch up, that's fine. If not, whatever. They'll get the rewards at the end too no matter what they do during the run.
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The funniest part is you can't be a completionist. Why? They respawn =)
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Edited by Manimal Fries: 11/5/2014 6:40:10 PMI kinda go with the flow... But I like to say 'completionist', though if someone starts running through, I don't mind and do the same. What I can't stand is 'runners' that die because they think they're hot shit. When I run, I usually stop to kill a few mobs if there's too many in my way, unlike those that try to jump over or whatever... And die trying. And yes: idlers=twats. Big bushy, stinky, snatches they are. The whole lot of them.
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Edited by Sylvestris: 11/5/2014 7:04:06 PMIdling is appropriate in one case: when you're idling on your own preformed fireteam with prior consent of your team mates. Sometimes a matchmade player can do more damage to strategy than an idle friend. Plus the idle friend has a way of charging in at the last minute to grenade the boss for the kill. Those of us who are in the fight then get to race to beat the boss before they arrive. And I'm not clearly one or the other. I don't usually always run, but I usually only kill enemies that can't be avoided, and I've also turned into a 100% runner for summoning pits.
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Voted idler for the lols
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Edited by TeslaDoc: 11/5/2014 6:32:12 PMI prefer completion but if my fire team is playing a running game I will run with them. Idlers should be shot in the knees and left to wonder where they went wrong.
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I run past all low level mobs until I get to the strike area, doesn't matter if it's a lvl 8 or 28 strike
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If i just want marks (why, I don't know, gotta stay capped i guess) then I speed run. If I got new gear and need to level it, then I like to kill as many as possible. There is a balance between killing MOST mobs and going on some ridiculous tour to kill every possible mob. The best is when 2 speed runners race to hide under the platform (Archon Priest) or under the ramp (Valarus T'urac) and proceed to do almost nothing except make s'mores next to the fire as they camp and play with each other, ignoring the boss, the adds, and absolutely slowing down the entire run.
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I wouldn't say I kill absolutely everything during a strike but I don't just run straight through either. I go at pace & pick my fights with mobs & it seems to be a happy medium.
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I'm a little of both... I won't normally kill the first enemies, but once I get past those and the raid starts I'll kill everything. I definitely like to roll threw them as fast as I can... Kills and all
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Runner. The strikes are boring and repetitive. I don't see a point in fighting unnecessary battles
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Edited by splattherpunk: 11/5/2014 6:25:46 PMI don't mind the runners. I join them most of the time. It just sucks right now because I want to level up my gear. If I run through a strike I get less gear experience then if I would frag more of the enemies. Patrols suck to level up gear. It takes forever. It's better to run a strike. I get more gear xp.
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Right now I'm a runner since I'm working on the Bad JuJu bounty. Normally I don't care, I just roll with whatever my teammates are doing.
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Ill kill everything on the way. Youd be surprised how often i get legendary enrgrams doing this too. I got 8 legendary engrams in one weekend like this.
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I skip everything that isn't a strike enemy. For example, all the enemies at the start of the Devils Lair strike. Their levels don't rise with the strike (still level 8/9 on a 24 strike), so I don't bother with them. Same with the enemies at the start of the Valus strike.
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There is not an option for high speed competitionist.
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If I'm doing a bounty that required 100 kills without dying or 100 precision kills I will go slow and take out everything I see. I usually run through it and get the reward at the end.
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I'm both. I run through the strike but complete all the objectives on the way. Kappa
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I see absolutely no point to clear trash mobs
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You ran the same strike 25 times for Bad JuJu? Dude did your brain melt? There's no way I could stand doing that. I just spent three nights doing Tiger Strikes. Even if it got boring I was at least getting variety, rewards, and my Cryptarch got bumped up quite a few levels from all the engrams.