[quote]here we go, I am sure there will be some people telling me I forgot hundreds of things (or to -blam!- myself) but here is my not so well thought out work in progress. 1.buffing thorn and terrible juju 2.the game doesn't start until level 20...so the game is grind and one nightfall a week+raid? 3.gear matters in the first crucible 4.the vex mythoclast is nerfed at 43% not the stated 34%. 5.iron banner rep will not be reset 6.lord saladin will have the bounties for iron banner as (in your words) he is lonely back there... 7.new iron banner gear will level to light 30 8.losing in iron banner will award a token of iron or some such nonsense...i does not There is so much more but I don't have the heart to list any more if you guys want go ahead and list some of your own.[/quote] 1. Never buffed Thorn or Bad Juju, I've been wondering about this myself. 2. Upgrading weapons, gear drops from raid (normal to 30), running daily bounties, upgrading both skill trees, collecting rare drops, lvl'ing multiple armor sets using exotics (head gear, arms, chests), lvl'ing up to three toons, repeating steps on multiple toons, and waiting for DLC. Yup, not like any rpg, mmorpg out there, not at all. They did take those elements and incorporate them into a fps, like it or not. 3. Not sure where you read that gear matters in crucible. Iron Banner it matters to a small degree, but that is Iron Banner, and that was the plan since Iron Banner ran during beta. That's why they have Iron Banner. 4. I don't know about the Vex Mythoclast. I just want the Fate Bringer. I have everything but those two. 5. I don't think this Iron Banner run was planned, or they purposely dropped it to test some armor/weapon scaling. They didn't announce that it would be running today, which makes me think that it was one of the above reasons. 6. Iron Banner bounties are at the bounty board, I just picked them up and ran some. 7. I have never heard Iron Banner gear would hit 30 light. You have a ref.? Besides, see 5. 8. See five.