[b][quote]Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. [/quote][/b] THIS.. is the main Point.. and several other things.. im level 29.. i almost levelled another char to 29.. and it feels stale.. i even started to do the VoG which i personally had neve a real desire, since its nowhere conected to the Main Game / plot, so its just another "sidemission" like the shrine of Oryx, just longer, not harder.. as soon as you have figured out where to stand and what to do. you can easily do the raid.. most complicated part is probably getting all the chests in Gorgon maze and the jumping puzzle. but thats it.. the rest is not hard, just repetitive and LONG.. but the worst part is, i dont feel like i miss something by not having done the rais a bazillion time,s to finally get my "raidgear", since i strongly belive Bungie wont change their ways to level up (i in fact believe that bungie COULDNT change the way even if they would wanted it..) so there will be new raid gear and new raid weapons that will make your hard earned VoG reaid gear obsolete.. and you will not be able to upgrade your VoG gear to higher ligth lebels. since that would require to keep a record of the instance of the raid gear with your character and since bungie cant even make new shaders (which sould be a work of 2 hours for 20 new shaders if implemented properly) i think bungie has the whole engine not at work, just the core and no editor for it. so every change would have to be in fact programmed into the core engine.. Thats the reason i believe why there are so few upgrades and so few new items in the game.. see the halloween part just some mini creepy 2 items.. a pumpkin head and a sparrow ( which i haventseen so far) so basically NOTHING new.. (see the Warframe Halloween specials for comparision: a new level.. a whole net set of weapon skins ( which we dont have at ALL in Destiny) and Mustaces for the warframes for MOVEMBER!.. and new Enemies.... so a level of customization i am utterly missing in Destiny) so there is nothign left to do, apart from what the guy says in the second half of the attached video: Grind go in endless circles on mars for 200 Relic irons, or spirit bloom , or create threee level 28 chars to be able to at least get ONE set of Ascendant energy/Shards for your legendaries /exotics every day. what destiny does is the same thing your mother does. it wants you to play only for a certain amount of time.. basically on tuesday evening, the hardcore gamer has reached max with everything.. crucible marks, Vanguard marks, weekly, nightfall weekly , daily. finished. Boring..