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[quote]Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.[/quote] I really liked what you said. However Destiny has everything every gamer wants already. You may not see it...but its there. To say they need to make changes is incorrect. They need to make improvements. Personally, I think that Bungie needs to add what I call the ultimate online obsession....that is a crafting option, and more gathering options. To have the option of patrolling for crafting materials would add a lot! Imagine being able to craft your own ammunition, or a different scope etc. It would also be unreal to see a sort of healing class, or more of an option for self healing. Destiny has so much myself, and many more havent discovered yet. From the amazing backgrounds and ever changing environment, to the repetitive strikes and farming...Destiny gives you everything. You just have to find it. In terms of being "alone" in this game...I completely understand what you mean, but I disagree. You are alone only if you choose to be. If you put yourself out therr...youll always have friends. I myself have over 30 people that are always willing to play Destiny.
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  • Please man.. this game has everything????? Did you even play pvp in this game?? Ever played a custom match against ANY of your 30 friends? No because you can't. This game is limited in many ways! The combat and fluid of the game are extremely good, but the game just lacks alot around it. I played more than 500 strikes and thousands of crusible matches hoping and waiting for this game to get better. But i see what activision is doing so i'm out

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  • [quote]Please man.. this game has everything????? Did you even play pvp in this game?? Ever played a custom match against ANY of your 30 friends? No because you can't. This game is limited in many ways! The combat and fluid of the game are extremely good, but the game just lacks alot around it. I played more than 500 strikes and thousands of crusible matches hoping and waiting for this game to get better. But i see what activision is doing so i'm out[/quote] Also, how is the game limited? You have no supporting evidence. Im really curious. Because after 415 hours and all three characters leveled.....I always have things to do in the game. Dont complain about limitations when im sure you play CoD...or Battlefield. They are horribly limited when compared to Destiny. You are only limited if you allow yourself to be so. Destiny is a mmo sandbox shooter with massive room for improvement. World of Warcraft didnt get it right early either. It took them time, and a fan base who actually wanted to work at things...rather than complain that they should hand out everything. And after years and years...it is still the greatest game to date when it comes to sales and being successful. After one year of being available, Destiny will prove everyone wrong, including myself. It will surpass all expectations.

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  • [quote]Please man.. this game has everything????? Did you even play pvp in this game?? Ever played a custom match against ANY of your 30 friends? No because you can't. This game is limited in many ways! The combat and fluid of the game are extremely good, but the game just lacks alot around it. I played more than 500 strikes and thousands of crusible matches hoping and waiting for this game to get better. But i see what activision is doing so i'm out[/quote] Lol first off....this game delivered on everything they promised...second...if you need to make custom matches chances are YOU aren't playing the game. Bungie gave us everything they told us they would. If you disagree with that...then you didnt follow thr game. I also wanted to laugh at everyone who hates on Destiny because of PvP issues. PvP is for people who dont wanna work at anything....and thats great. I dont believe you ran that many strikes...and are still unhappy. As with every MMO, you will always have your PvE...and your PvP groups. And each classification has its strengths and weaknesses. Your argument is quite pathetic. So the game is missing custom games....lmao...and what would you customize? I agree...improvements could be made...but the game just came out not long ago. Most successful game launch in history...and everyone has their opinions. I think most are wrong, and rage quit because Bungie doesnt hand out gear like Blizzard does. So if your argument seriously was based simply on the missing custom games...I applaud you for being today's moron.

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  • Doesn't hand out items like blizzard does? Please man, everyone has legendarys and exotics. Everyone could buy the suros regime TWICE. I've got ice breaker, vex mythoclast, suros regime. There is absolutely no reason for me anymore to log in.. the only thing they want is more money and u gey 1 strike and 1 raid and some new mp maps.. so basicly u will do the same ol repetitive shit all over again for 90% of the time only to see the level number change to 32. It's just pethetic they sell this unfinished game and people like you praise it and are happy to open up their wallet again. And that's just stupid because the game industry gets worse and worse! And that's bad for all of us..

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  • [quote]Doesn't hand out items like blizzard does? Please man, everyone has legendarys and exotics. Everyone could buy the suros regime TWICE. I've got ice breaker, vex mythoclast, suros regime. There is absolutely no reason for me anymore to log in.. the only thing they want is more money and u gey 1 strike and 1 raid and some new mp maps.. so basicly u will do the same ol repetitive shit all over again for 90% of the time only to see the level number change to 32. It's just pethetic they sell this unfinished game and people like you praise it and are happy to open up their wallet again. And that's just stupid because the game industry gets worse and worse! And that's bad for all of us..[/quote] Diablo and WoW all got item drop buffs because people complained enough. MMOs never run out of content...players just stop doing stuff

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  • [quote]Doesn't hand out items like blizzard does? Please man, everyone has legendarys and exotics. Everyone could buy the suros regime TWICE. I've got ice breaker, vex mythoclast, suros regime. There is absolutely no reason for me anymore to log in.. the only thing they want is more money and u gey 1 strike and 1 raid and some new mp maps.. so basicly u will do the same ol repetitive shit all over again for 90% of the time only to see the level number change to 32. It's just pethetic they sell this unfinished game and people like you praise it and are happy to open up their wallet again. And that's just stupid because the game industry gets worse and worse! And that's bad for all of us..[/quote] Lol you are a gem sir. They release new content and it still isn't good enough. YOU sir are the problem. There is nothing to do because you choose to do nothing. Do you have all your classes maxxed? Rep levels maxxed? Cryptarch? Ive now completed showing you what you choose not to do. That is not Bungie's fault that youll bitch at everything and anything they do. Be an actual gamer and adapt. If you cant...go back to super nintendo

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  • Best console ever .... Speak it's name softly

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  • Lol super nintento.. i'm not going to lower myself to your level dude. I play a lot of games like path of exile, league of legends, played wow for several years.. i like games with depth, my cryptarch is level 29 at the moment and my crucible rank is 5 and vanguard is 3. Next to that i have the new monarchy on rep level 4 aswell. I got all "nice rewards" and camos from both events aswell..... I don't know what you are talking about dude, u expect me to do the same repetitive shit again and again and again without a reason? Or pull out more money to get the same repetitive shit.. why am i even wasting my precious time explaining things to a kid. If u did some research u can easily see that we got a dumbed down game to make it appeal to the 10 year olds, and appearntly that is appealing to you so that has a lot more to say about you. I dont have COD btw, it had it's best time and i sold battlefield 6 months ago because of all the problems it had! But that's EA, same bullshit company as activision. Now go give them more of your money. Bb

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  • [quote]Lol super nintento.. i'm not going to lower myself to your level dude. I play a lot of games like path of exile, league of legends, played wow for several years.. i like games with depth, my cryptarch is level 29 at the moment and my crucible rank is 5 and vanguard is 3. Next to that i have the new monarchy on rep level 4 aswell. I got all "nice rewards" and camos from both events aswell..... I don't know what you are talking about dude, u expect me to do the same repetitive shit again and again and again without a reason? Or pull out more money to get the same repetitive shit.. why am i even wasting my precious time explaining things to a kid. If u did some research u can easily see that we got a dumbed down game to make it appeal to the 10 year olds, and appearntly that is appealing to you so that has a lot more to say about you. I dont have COD btw, it had it's best time and i sold battlefield 6 months ago because of all the problems it had! But that's EA, same bullshit company as activision. Now go give them more of your money. Bb[/quote] Hey mag...you mad bro? And last I checked...each of those games were repetitive as shit. So you are the moron. Second...Destiny has an average fan base of age 25 or higher...so your comments are incorrect. But hey, do us all a favor and just stop playing. Probably the best option. You arent open to logical reasoning either. Thanks for the laughs! And fyi...you already lowered yourself to my level. Most try and succeed!

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  • [quote][quote]Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.[/quote] I really liked what you said. However Destiny has everything every gamer wants already. You may not see it...but its there. To say they need to make changes is incorrect. They need to make improvements. Personally, I think that Bungie needs to add what I call the ultimate online obsession....that is a crafting option, and more gathering options. To have the option of patrolling for crafting materials would add a lot! Imagine being able to craft your own ammunition, or a different scope etc. It would also be unreal to see a sort of healing class, or more of an option for self healing. Destiny has so much myself, and many more havent discovered yet. From the amazing backgrounds and ever changing environment, to the repetitive strikes and farming...Destiny gives you everything. You just have to find it. In terms of being "alone" in this game...I completely understand what you mean, but I disagree. You are alone only if you choose to be. If you put yourself out therr...youll always have friends. I myself have over 30 people that are always willing to play Destiny.[/quote]

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