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originally posted in: The Dark Below
10/30/2014 12:56:27 AM
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Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.
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  • This is a re post. It's exactly the same as in another bungie post. -blam!-ing re runs man hate them.

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  • AND IF IT IS THEN WHO CARES THIS IS WHAT THE PLAYERS WANT

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  • It's not a re-post. It is the original. You can follow the comments back for weeks. Bungie simply added to their Dark Below blog post and brought it to the forefront again. DERP.

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  • Bro sounds like you were looking for a game to lose yourself in and replace your life with a virtual world, I'm glad this game isn't like that [u]Im sorry i don't want to be mean[/u] but i cant let this go i hate trolling but [u]Destiny didn't come with an 18" vibrator, or a nude master chief blow up doll... Thats why ur not getting the "feeling" your looking for.[/u] [b]Now u have that guy who is obviously gay for you in the comments[/b]this game isn't lonely at all, if i play destiny for 1 hour i will get game/party invite from ATLEAST 6 friends and that doesn't count random players. I am never alone on this game EVER the shared world model they use replaces NPC's with actual humans and that human element is what makes this game excellent i agree with at least 40% of the gripes but most of what u wrote is a result of ur lack of happiness in life. STOP blaming developers for your lack of a real life! Take it is man and have some fun in the game.

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  • I mean, I'm a successful graduate student who happily teaches English composition, am writing a novel, have an awesome girlfriend who also loves to play Destiny, and really have all of my needs in life fulfilled. I just wanted to give some constructive criticism so Bungie could improve their game, man. But thanks for the baseless psychiatric evaluation.

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  • No... You attempted to connect destiny's perceived short comings to real life emotions. And had u spent the time on ur novel that u spent on this post you would be done by now. The game was never supposed to be like Everquest, go roleplay with that guy in the comments

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  • Dude go pull your butt off of bungies meat stick and realize this dude was only offering suggestions to make the game better. How is more of something going to ruin your game experience. You demand and fight for less content from your games? This guy's suggestions are awesome.

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  • His point was only to constructively criticize Destiny and hope for the better. Back off dude.

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  • I am still blown by this post! Keep up the good work, and maybe they will listen someday, or in ten years.

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  • But still, I love your post. You put time into it. I only hope Bungie changes themselves around... Let's hope for the best. But until then, I will not open that Destiny case and see my Characters again until they do WHAT WE SAY. The community has been too patient with this company, and time is running out for most of the community.

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  • They will not read it. I am not trying to ruin the letter or anything, but they are just greedy, spoiled, and do care about what we say. First of all, they nerfed The Vex Mythoclast in a week. The weapon people receive after the hardest raid available, not to mention the glitches and unspoken new traps and tricks Bungie has inserted into the raid, just to piss us off. But, back to my point, we have been demanding Bad Juju be buffed in power for three months, and they haven't, even though they have stated they will eventually. Does everyone see that THREE month difference? I would not waste my time with requests for Bungie, as they are the only ones who make the changes, not us. And their are many more reasons why Destiny is bad and why I have no respect for Bungie anymore. Try to find out why. You proprably have, hoping for change, but there is none.

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  • This is exactly how I feel! I hope bungie reads this coment

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  • Loving the additional bumps!

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  • I'll be very sad if the people at Bungie never see this post, or do read it and take no action. These ideas that you've presented is exactly what this community needs. I still have high hopes for this game, because I believe the people who make the game have the same passions and desires as the community that supports them. Awesome post bro.

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  • Thanks for the support man. Are you on Xbox One? If so, add me. We'll run some heroics or nightfall. TwoBeersMears.

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  • Just added you. Looking forward to putting a dent in the darkness with you man!

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  • I'm pumped! We'll get at that darkness very soon. Thanks for the add!

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  • Great post! BUMP

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  • Edited by DrSherlockWinchester™: 11/22/2014 4:52:49 AM
    Goose bumps man!!! This is awesome, the passion, the love, even something similar would be good :) I have faith in Bungie/Destiny I wouldn't of spent the last 3 months playing it if I didn't :) Btw this is how you do a trailer!! I cannot wait :)

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  • Bro I read it this awsome to read what a great passage to read thanks for posting it Xbox one

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  • Add me. TwoBeersMears. We'll run a nightfall.

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  • Aright I'm doing raid hard give me a min

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  • Hopping out of Iron Banner in a minute.

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  • Aright

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  • Bro I read it this awsome to read what a great passage to read thanks for posting it Xbox one

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