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10/30/2014 12:56:27 AM
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Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.
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  • [quote]it's very pretty. [/quote] Indeed it is. Until it opens its mouth and you realize the nonsense you hear makes you want to run away or become deaf. (Just for the babbling, not for the music. The music is the narrative, it's epic)

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  • Exactly.

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  • BUMPPP

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  • With enough replies, Bungie will take notice.

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  • Yeah!!!

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  • Best post ever, we will make them listen!

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  • Please they need more post like this directly in THIER face

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  • 2000th reply :3

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  • yes.

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  • Great post. Respect

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  • Best. Post. Ever.

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  • Bump it to 2000 replies!

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  • Its a small price all you have to is sit there pay 20 and play it all you and all these people do is complain... you want to make a game go for it and expect it to get shitted on like you are shitting on this one its wether you enjoy it or not and if you don't none of your comments are needed if you and the rest of these people actually knew how much it costs and how long it takes to make these then you would be more understanding just saying 20$ for weeks of work ... people are seriously demented in a sense this sounds more like a school debate for soccer moms, you either want to get it or don't nobody else wants to hear you complain about money you apparently cant get most of us work, we don't stay glued to the tv so sorry if the game isn't to your liking You either like it or don't and if you don't its simple STFU and stop ruining it for people who do like it... instead all of you complaining like B###### get your ass up and put in another game but knowing all of you morons out there you would all probably complain about that game too... Many of you say this game sucks but log in everyday to play it lol please anyone who complains about this so much should kill themselves 👋✌️

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  • Wow who let the trolls out? So basically you have to create a game to voice an opinion of it? Sounds legit, so which game did you develop then? Also, since your saying everyone who is complaining about the game is pathetic, what does that make you? Aren't you more pathetic for complaining about complaining? You call everyone a bunch of whining b####es, but your the one who is pmsing on everything. Maybe you should take your own advice and STFU if your just going to complain.

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  • [quote]You either like it or don't and if you don't its simple STFU and stop ruining it for people who do like it..[/quote] It's complicated...

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  • Boring...ahh yes you said it. Reading this novel that you wrote is quite boring indeed. Honestly, it's not that you didn't make some interesting points or ideas. It's the way you went about it. To complain about repetitiveness and boredom, yet still log on and play as much as you claim you do is perplexing. If you don't like what Bungie has to offer then GTFO and trade the game back in. I'm sick and tired of reading the same old crap about how Destiny is boring and not social enough. IMO that is complete BS and the "real" Guardians out there will agree with me 100%. Destiny has the best replay value of any game you will purchase this Holiday season period. I'd put $ on that. I also found it quite humorous that you complained about Bungie "nerfing" (I hate that term) various gear and patching the Raid. It just proves to me, through your writing, that you are one of the infamous "cheaters" in Destiny. You apparently don't want to have to work for anything you get in the game. Judging by what I've read you are probably one of those Guardians who joins a Fireteam and then let's the Fireteam do all the work while you sit back and collect your legendary and exotic gear. Believe me I've witnessed it by other Destiny cheaters. Lastly. You are completely wrong. Destiny will be a 5 year Franchise at the minimum. As of (11/4/14) I've heard many gamers who have purchased CoD say how they have already gone back to Destiny because of how bad the multiplayer in CoD is. That speaks volumes to me as a player and it should to you too. Dev's will never put out a "perfect" game so get over it man. You should feel good about the fact that Bungie cares enough about Destiny to make any changes at all. #TrueGuardian

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  • You just made a lot of baseless assumptions, and you are wrong on many counts. This is a forum. My opinion and the way I go about conveying it are valid. You disguise yourself with lofty prose and well-crafted lines, but you sir, are nothing more than a lowly troll.

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  • Bu (ngie don't care as they already have our money) mp.

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  • So well said

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  • Bump

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  • Dude I've been on this thread for so long I just want it to see 2k replies.

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  • Me too!

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  • game is so boring zzz zz zzz Dlc is gonna be über boring !!

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  • Dang. Bump

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