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10/30/2014 12:56:27 AM
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Dear Bungie, Destiny simply isn't what I expected. I've had great respect for the work you guys do from the first time I played Halo with my friends, and I followed the Destiny buildup until its release with edge-of-my-seat anticipation. To me, there's no story more compelling than that of humanity's very survival, and no pursuit more noble than fighting for the preservation of our species. It's what drew me to Halo, and what drew me to Destiny. It's teams of artists such as yourselves, who recognize the inherent nobleness of this concept and seek to bring it to millions, that inspire me, that give me something to look forward to after a long day at the office, that offer me the chance to escape a reality where the difference I make is marginal at best, and enter a reality where I have the chance to make a difference that feels like it matters, if only for a couple of hours every night. You brought me that sense of purpose and inspiration with Halo. But I don't feel this anymore. In Destiny, with a full loadout of legendary and exotic gear and having played through the full story, experiencing what the Crucible has to offer, battling my way through countless strike missions, finishing every bounty 100 times over, and exploring the complete extent of every map, I'm...bored. But it's worse than being bored. I don't feel anything. I've stuck with the game all these hours, whole days, desperately seeking to feel what I expected to when I first read about Destiny so many months ago. It isn't there. Although I initially thought that the lack of story was the problem, I've come to realize that the lack of story is only the tip of the iceberg. It's the part that's visible, that every Guardian who's also searching for that sense of purpose and fulfillment in Destiny can readily point to and say "That must be it". And it's a very valid concern. But the core problem with Destiny runs much deeper. The core problem, as far as I see it, is that you're utterly alone in the game. I'll attempt to expand as best I can. The reason the raid works so well (and is arguably the most successful part of the entire Destiny endeavor) is that it requires massive amounts of teamwork. It provides, upon beating Atheon, a sense of reward and togetherness that no other part of the game currently gives you as a player. I feel as though the team at Bungie would like to bring this experience to the wider majority of the game, but is confused as to how to do so, or is otherwise very conflicted as to how to go about doing so. I want to assure you that doing this would be exceptionally easy, and would make Destiny the game you want it to be and the game that we, the players, want it to be. My suggestions operate on the assumption that most Destiny players care about the notion of fighting for humanity. It is the premise of the entire game, the reason anyone who enjoys PvE wanted to become a Guardian in the first place. With that in mind, Bungie needs to begin addressing the issue of feeling alone in the game by giving players a shared experience outside of the raid. Sure, if you have enough friends with the game, you can link up a fireteam and do some of the same 4 strikes (now a staggering 5 strikes for only $19.99 on Xbox) you've done 5,000 times over, but the only emotional appeal to this is that you're doing something with your friends for a while, until you get bored, and let me assure you, killing the Archon Priest for the zillionth time is boring - boring enough that the friends I used to play with have quit the game. I feel that many can relate to this situation. In order to make your players feel something deeper and continue to invest in Destiny, we need to be able to actually fight for the very survival of humanity. Other people have left comments regarding this, and I'm mirroring their ideas and sentiments and not claiming them as my own, though I've had the very same thoughts as them for some time now. Bungie needs to actually put humanity on the brink. As Guardians, we need to be able to get an alert from The Tower while we're out collecting Spinmetal that The City is under a massive attack by The Fallen. We need to be able to see all the players around us disappear, heading to orbit just like we are, mashing our controllers to take us all back to defend The City. Upon arriving, we need to see droves upon droves of enemies marching to the walls, and have a way to get out in front of the walls to fight them in the plains before they reach the gates (troop transport ships on a loop that fly you over the city and drop you into battle, anyone?). We need to see dozens of other Guardians fighting tooth and nail to defend the last bastion of humanity alongside us, and we need this on at least a weekly basis. These kind of encounters can play out all over the solar system, and last a day at a time, giving many players the chance to enter the fight. Ground must be gained and lost, territories threatened, The City seen teetering on a precipice before you and your fellow Guardians prevail (or don't, which leads to many other, ridiculously interesting options for the game, and opportunities to fight for what is lost). Again, I don't claim such ideas and sentiments as my own, but I wanted to articulate them here in the hopes that someone with a voice inside Bungie HQ might raise these ideas that I very much believe thousands of players yearn for. If ideas like this were baked into the game, this crippling sense of solitude that one often feels while playing would effectively disappear, because we'd all be fighting for something together - something tangible, that we could see and feel and believe in. While you, Bungie, continue to release patches nerfing hard-earned exotic weapons, killing loot caves, restructuring the raid to prevent players from beating it with human ingenuity, and announcing DLC content that is quite honestly very lackluster and addresses none of the deep, even psychological ineptitudes within the Destiny universe, I assure you that even if the current numbers say otherwise, you are not building a 10 year franchise. Or a 5 year franchise. I'll be curious to know what those numbers reveal once other games are released through the holiday season. Somehow, I don't think they'll be very promising. Not considering what you gave us at launch, and how little you continue to give us. Destiny was a promise of something incredible that never was and still isn't. It could still become that, but my hope is waning, and that's a real shame, because this world you made for us, this repetitive, empty world - it's very pretty. Thanks for your time. I hope I get the chance to thank you for your efforts in the future.
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  • Well we followed a single protagonist who developed throughout the different games, he fought alongside many a comrade just to watch them die in his arms, Johnson, Miranda Keyes, Cortana, even his fellow Spartans. The way we connected to the characters added to the drama and broke our hearts just as much as Chief. We followed him through countless victories and losses. The casualties just kept adding up, and the weight crushed his soul. But he kept fighting. At the end of halo 4, chief broke, he finally felt the weight of war bearing down on his shoulders. Destiny lacks the drama and feels of halo because you never go through any tragedies and you lack the humanity chief has. You never lose anyone special, let alone make allies. Your guardian is a blank sheet of paper, you write the story, but you've got writers block. You lack the components of a good story, and that's why people dislike destiny. Bungie spoiled us with halo, so now people are disappointed. R.I.P, Johnson, Miranda, Cpt. Keyes, blue team, Noble team, Jenkins… Cortana, and every soldier who gave their lives to save earth, we salute you. Never forget.

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  • We will avenge the lost.

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  • Together.

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  • This comment had more heart and emotion than the entire "story"/npc's combined in destiny. If you only wrote books., [spoiler]I'd totally buy them[/spoiler]

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  • I'm actually a creative writer in graduate school, writing a novel. Stay tuned!

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  • Yes! Awesome to hear, hope all the best!

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  • You have literally expressed everything I have ever felt about this game in the most eloquent and thought provoking way possible. The pure fact that you remained respectful throughout the entire writing is alone commendable, despite the fact that this should be common, due to the massive amounts of people who break down into unnecessary foul language. In all honesty if Bungie were to listen to only one of us to ask what was wrong with the game, I am 200% that it should be you

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  • Bump

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  • I think that Bungie at least needs to acknowledge the story issues and give us insight as to what happened during the dev process that caused the game to to be so... Disappointing. Then they need to fix it all or compensate for it.

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  • Excellent post. Unfortunately however, as is evident by the fact you need to have a bungie account in order to read these comments, your post will go largely unnoticed, and quite possibly totally disregarded by both bungie and activision. I beseech you to copy/paste this very well written post on some forum elsewhere, so that some people may be warned about what this game really is and not fall into the same trap we fell for

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  • Any suggestions of where else to post? I'd gladly do it. It seems that many people agree with my thoughts.

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  • Post in the destiny reddit and/or even just the gaming reddit in general. That is a widely used forum that will reach many. Maybe tweet at bungie with a link to your post.

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  • Both great suggestions. Angry joe also made a good video about this you can like and post this on the comment section. Then there's the IGN forums, Gamespot, gametrailers. Honestly you should start new threads with that post, and perhaps a moderator will sticky it. Its not like I'm trying to boycott Bungie or anything. What I'm trying to achieve is to force them to realise that this business model they're following will not fly. Because to be fair, if we don't react, and we let them do this to us, the gamers, then it simply means that this model is good business. I'm not planning on taking that laying down.

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  • I agree

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  • Bungie please do this. I have followed this game for sooooo long and it's kind of a let down:( this will completely fix your game.

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  • Awesome post. Great ideas. Agree 100%. Will it happen? Ha! This title is nothing more than a money sponge, activision used bungies good name to suck money out of our pockets with zero content. $500 million budget. Where did it go? I've played far better games made on a fraction of this insane "investment"

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  • Here is the problem with "OMG Bungie had a 500M Budget where did it all go >.< QQ." Just because Bungie was given a budget of 500M dollars by activision does not mean Bungie had 500M dollars to release Destiny they have 500M dollars to use over the course to Destiny's 10 life span. Most likely Bungie spent a larger portion of that 150M-200M on the game itself largely going into the voice acting and graphics department. So saying you had 500M dollars give me good game is an incorrect assumption.

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  • You had to write an essay 0_o sorry, there were just too many words so I stopped after the first paragraph

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  • Was a good read. U missed out.

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  • Lol stopped after "dear bungie......." saw where this was going from the start. Nothing new round these parts

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  • You stoped after "dear bungie" but then read all of the comments and then took the time to reply to one?

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  • Damn....best comment I've read on this site. I agree with everything you stated. I think the idea of the tower or a city in trouble and all guardians fighting to defend it is the best idea ever!!! I would absolutely love that to happen.. what a great feeling of camaraderie you would feel at the time when battling with a whole lot of other guardians to save a city...this NEEDS to happen...

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    Our transaction seem to be at an end,bungie.goodbye

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  • Unfortunately I don't think your ideas will be heard. That's a shame, what you put into words that most can't was great. I agree and hope this is considered.

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  • Excellent post, that I would usually tl;dr. Glad I did though. Definitely evoked emotions that I would enjoy feeling if destiny played out like that!

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