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Edited by veilsix: 10/27/2014 10:37:08 PM
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Cheesing & Shortcutting Our Way Out of A Great Game

This community has largely degraded into a community of shortcutters. Every single shortcut that can be found is exploited to exhaustion, taking away minutes to hours to days to weeks of playing time (depending on the game event being shortcutted) they would have otherwise spent playing or figuring out through trial and error. And then the community complains because they've hit a wall with nothing to do. Instead of finding the ways to get shards, energy, strange coins... they're cross-vaulting these items to their mains. This weekend I figured why the hell not and created a second Titan since I see so many people running Nightfalls, Raids, Weeklies and Dailies 2,3 times in their intended single play period per character. I would venture this community (and lately myself) has largely cheated itself out of a game that would have been fulfilling probably right up until the DLC hit. I realize not a lot of people will come out and admit they cheesed for their raid gear or mythoclasts or other weapons, but deep down everyone knows who they are regardless of what we post here. And I'm sure for most people, with that level of gear, looking back far enough in their post history will reveal the truth. Now you have Warlocks glitching their subclass attributes for infinite self-rez and trying to keep it hush so that it doesn't get patched. When does it end? Did I spend time in the lootcave? Yeah, I did. It was kind of a neat little exploit that had an interesting social slant to it. Then the pushing, and the checkpoints and so on... I was keeping my distance from that. Right up until the last week. I'm proud to say that I made sure I beat Vault of Glass in full, repeatedly, before ever resorting to the push method. Every nightfall boss I've cleared honestly before participating in any "cheap" methods. And even those times... sure it got the job done, but it felt cheapened. I am thankful I never received any piece of serious gear when I did join a push group last week. I thought it was the last day before the patch and figured [i]what the hell, I'll return to working it the old way after tomorrow anyways.[/i] Hell, even I figured why not do it just one... more... time. Then the patch didn't come, and this place was a frenzy of checkpoints/pushers for the next week. I truly hope that patch comes tomorrow and newer Destiny players are able to figure out this content for themselves. It will force me to continue my journey for the great gear the honest way, with trial and error, with my friends who were equally unlucky. If and when we get those Mythoclasts, we will know that we truly earned them. And hopefully once we do all of this the hard way, and we can use our new gear in the newly revised Iron Banner, that will take us through to near DLC. EDIT: This is just to clarify my point because people think I'm excusing an absence of more content in the production release of the game, and getting pretty hostile about it. That's not what I'm doing here. Like you I wish there was more of everything and expected that there was going to be. My point is that even if we had a game that was twice as big as this one is now, we as a community would be shortcutting our way to the end and still be upset about having nothing to do. It's the inconsistency I'm observing.

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  • I got 3 chars 29 lock 27 hunter/titan. I don't see why I can't run the weeklys 3 times a week and share around my materials and loot I earned. What am I supposed to do each week on just one? I do the weekly/s on tuesday, (if I did it, then the raid on wednesday) Other than that there is nothing else to do until the reset except for the daily which takes no time at all.

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    • Ha ha "great game".

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    • Well if anything the Destiny players (atm) will have gotten another (war) story for when fresh players get Destiny (maybe Christmas time). Like: Loot Cave - "..souls are not enough..." Devil Cyrptach - Trolled by so many Legendaries Templar Cheese on the Ledge of Safety The OP Vex - Using the best weapon in the game to it full potential. (It did need a nerf, it was fun while it lasted)

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    • Edited by InstaGood: 10/27/2014 11:09:10 PM
      Welcome to MMOs where the motto is: [b]Exploit early. Exploit often.[/b] If there's anything I've learned in all my years of gaming, it's that those who exploit early tend to get to keep their unfairly gained advantage. By taking the highroad and doing things legitimately, you're voluntarily putting yourself on a lower power curve than those who are exploiting. It's extremely rare when you see devs removing gear/progress gained through exploits. The core of the problem is the repetitive nature of the game and the lack of hard checks. It's only natural players are looking for ways to shorten their next run of the same content. Bungie really needs to get creative to address the root of the problem. I really hope that they have the balls to take away illegitimately gained raid gear. I would need a lot of popcorn to get through the forums the next day.

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    • Have you even looked at the trophies and achievements? Have you seen the Exotic Engrams that Xur sells that could be for any class? Bungie wants you to have three characters. Thats why you have three slots. The vault is there for you to swap things between classes. The only exploit is pushing Atheon and the Templar. Everything else is legit.

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    • I only cheesed twice after I beat the raid 5 times... 3 normal and two hard with no armor drops... And only 1 different weapon. I have not gotten an exotic from the raid. I've gotten the chatter white shader 8 times now... I'm sorry to say this but the RNG for the raid needs to be looked at... I'm glad the game has lasted as long as it has but honestly 9 raids to get 1 piece of raid armor is just plan dumb. It almost makes me not want to even bother trying because I know I'm going to get another corrective measure and the sniper...

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    • So, you'd rather force us to suffer through countless hours of RNG luck, with no guaranteed reward system. I realize so many other games use RNG, but why should Destiny? Why does my legend consist of killing the same boss over and over again? Or randomly killing very weak enemies and one just happened to pickpocket a unique guardian that created that weapon. Nothing in this game feels unique anymore. It's Bungies own fault. If they would've made obtaining loot at least slightly interesting people would do it, but instead you have RNG, the worst loot system ever made. I mean, not even the vendors have any character! It's very disappointing that this is what Bungie decided to do with their record breaking game.

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    • You are the reason games get unnecessarily patched. You complain and whine about what other people are doing, with a game they purchased, that doesn't effect any part of your game that you control! Why do you do this? You can leave a gaming situation at any time by clicking a button, but yet you continue your complaints about what others are doing? You are the definition of a HATER. Undoubtedly, you will read this and try to come up with some kind of witty response to counter what I've just laid down, but your original post explains who you are. Quit being a f-ing baby and JUST PLAY THE GAME.

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      • I'm not sure what to make of your issue with multiple characters. If anything starting alts gave me way more to do and more options in terms of getting gear, faction leveling, resource gathering, more opportunities to get legendaries/exotics/raid gear. Kinda disappointed I waited so long to make alts.

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      • Edited by XMalakhX: 10/27/2014 11:52:23 PM
        It was a horrible overlook on bungie's part and should've never made it to the final version of destiny. I can't wait for the bumpers because it'll put some fun back into the hard raid.

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      • I do feel bad for some of my friends and people on ps3 asking me to help them push atheon off the edge. or anything cheesy to do with the vault. Me in perticular, i have soaked in all of destiny and fought my way through hard mode fully and beat atheon without tricks, it is truly sad alot of people will not experience what i have.

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      • I know what your saying. but you better be damn sure I'm going to shortcut the raid after completing it legit lol

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        • Edited by Elazul: 10/27/2014 11:56:45 PM
          It really doesn't matter if they patched it today even because those who are exploiting have mostly got what they wanted already anyways. I highly doubt Bungie would punish or remove gear gained. Personally, I hope they patch it and then fix the glitch on Sun Singers people are using for infinite revives.

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        • If there wasn't only two options to get rewards from actually doing the things that give guaranteed rewards for hard work, we wouldn't need three of the same character.

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        • Short cutting is a fault of game design. People will always find the easiest way to do something. That's human nature. We are genetically pre-dispositioned to expend the least amount of energy to complete a task.

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        • I whole heartedly agree OP. People have 3 characters, rack up enough strange coins and motes of light to buy Xur stuff 3 times over. Then they run raid/nightfall/weekly 3 times, get gear and complain there is nothing left to do. I play a lot of strikes and all I see people do is jump through to the end as quick as possible. I get that it's repetitive but killing enemies is fun and I enjoy playing the mission. (Plus more chance for drops when you kill things) I am happy to say I hit level 30 while using only one character. It took me 3 weeks once I got raid gear to get enough shards to hit level 30. Others could have done it in 1. I do think using multiple characters to triple play events is only cheating the player out of time playing the game. I too would like to join a clan that is full of legit 30s (or any level) that want to play this game for what it offers, not the exploits that you look up on YouTube, then say your bored because you know every shortcut. I beat the raid initially without using YouTube and it was the hardest thing I ever played. Took 3 hrs just to figure out the gorgon maze. With YouTube you can figure it out in 2 minutes. See the difference? It's more gratifying when you enjoy a game and play it in a trial and error way. I don't care about patches and glitches and asking Bungie to change things, I'm just tired of gamers complaining about lack of content when they rushed through this game and took shortcuts. I love when the kids doing shortcuts don't get gear, makes me happy. Now that I'm level 30, I get like 10 msgs a day asking for checkpoints or "help to push off". No answer for that bs.

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          • I played one character for at least 2 weeks after 29 and still haven't leveled my alt to 20. I'm bored. While yes some of that is my fault for hitting it so hard when it came out but 2 years of watching trailers and vid docs kind of pushed me there. The argument of well you have x amount of hours is really null and void when you consider how many of them are spent repeating content. I had 120 hrs or so in skyrim and barely repeated anything. As far as cheesing goes I've never pushed Aetheon. Sniper perches are fair game IMO. Finding tactical locations in strikes is also fair game because if I wanted to mindlessly run and gun id play cod. I get where you're coming from but I think some of that is you looking for excuses for a game you want more out of.

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            • The FB is strong in this one.

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            • Who the -blam!- died and made you god?

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              • I think what you're failing to understand is that at maximum, we have 3 raids/nightfalls/Heroic weeklys per week. Now whether or not you do it legitimately or "cheese" your way through the raid or a strike or a weekly or the nightfall there is still a gaping lack of content and you're wondering what you'll be doing for the next six days. Putting a limit on what I'm allowed to complete in a week is a pathetic excuse for game longevity. Thank you for writing such a long post but it was incredibly short sighted.

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                • If you think content stability depends on how quickly hardcore players defeat the missions, you're an idiot. We should have given bungie a break on the story right? And played so slow we could get the rest of the story by December? Buhahaha

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                  • No mythoclast for me...5 times done on hard. Still one gauntlet raid gear, and too many ships snipers, auto rifles. Just saying I don't care what people are doing although it does take fun away, I find no point in doing the raid anymore other than helping people to a certain point and leaving. Ill complain about cheaters when I can get my first complaint settled. And some lasagna.

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                    • I'm still on my first character, I didn't even acknowledge loot cave posts till after it was patched on purpose. Simply knowing the possibility of a shortcut makes people use it. I pushed the Templar off on hard once and it was boring! Still haven't beat Atheon cuz I'm determined to find a group who will do it the legit way.

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                      • Every game has this. It's nothing new

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                        • pumps and a bump

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