I've been using Thorn since I got it and its not bad but my iron banner HC is a lot better. Thorn could do with a buff but first they might need to fix its aim. It might just be me or maybe lag or something but sometimes I have to aim above the person Im shooting to get a head shot, so unless it has bullet drop Im not sure what's going on. Im still trying to get Bad Juju so I can't comment but since I rarely see anyone using it I would guess there is a problem with it.