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Edited by AytonHunter:
10/26/2014 7:53:30 PM
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Destiny came and all of a sudden everyones "Pro". (A note on playerbase and the VoG)
Yesterday I played through the Vault of Glass fully for the first time.
It was great to see the beautiful design of it, but the problem was the people I was with.
For starters, it was a bunch of younger dudes who have a mouth on them xD
This guy was so proud to tell us how his lvl 30 has done the raid 100 times and that his own vault is filled with Legendaries and Exotics.
At first I was impressed, but once we got to the Templar... everything changed.
This was no longer the raid I played the first time, and died multiple times trying to do it legit.
No.
Instead, we had this lvl 30 telling me that "Hunter's are useless in the VoG". To which I asked why (considering we had a lvl 29 Hunter with us and I myself play as a Hunter), and he merely responded because they are.
Now it was only when we got to the Templar that I realised why I wasn't enjoying this.
The players were more concerned with glitching the Templar and Atheon, pushing them off the edge with their EPIC WARLOCK GRENADES, while me and another player sat in a corner, feeling goddamn useless. It sucked.
The whole point of a raid is to come together as a team and devise strategies to defeat the obstacles in front of you. I hardly felt like I even did anything in the raid, as these guys carried on talking about their "Amazing skills at pushing Atheon".
So, I sat in Atheons lair, literally hiding behind a -blam!-ing pillar while this dude compalined that Atheon was not going in the right spot.
I hadn't even shot a single shot at him, I hardly even knew what I was doing because this group were so focused on glitching him out.
I'm now on the Hard mode of the raid, but I don't dare go for it with another bunch of randoms for fear of sitting in a corner once more, listening to try hards as they talk about their 1000000 Exotics and Legendaries.
In conclusion, people are more concerned with glitching a raid and gaining loot, than actually finishing it legit.
[b]What is the point of glitching to get gear, when the gear is used for the Raid anyway? If you want play a dress up sim, go ahead and google a shitty flash game.[/b]
For this asking I'm on xbone
Gamertag AytonHunter
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Yep watch a few you tube vids and they are experts that just repeat what they hear. Not even 2 months and I am just starting to see the fine points of sub class set ups for diff areas and play style.
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I DEALT WITH THE SAME EXCEPT IM A WARLOCK! I prefer the challenging way.
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The amount of people who don't know how to do the fights the correct way because they've only ever used the exploits is astounding. I'll admit I've used the exploits to save some time, but I always try to convince the group (if it is a PUG) to do it the correct way first. Teaching a group how to kill Atheon the proper way was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had in this game.
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I try to get into group that want to do it legit but can't. Like the oracle part. This so called experience raider wanted to cheese the oracle on normal. xD what a joke. If you are looking to do the raid legit hit me up xbox360 Gamertag xBTCx Escy
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Edited by aubrii: 10/26/2014 11:29:16 PMCharacter classes are only as useful as the player controlling them. All three classes have their own uses, and each of them have an important part to play, in VoG and otherwise. Sounds to me like someone got wrecked with arc blade one too many times in the crucible and decided to hold a grudge. On the subject of exotics and legendaries, the same can be said; All those pretty gears and weapons mean nothing if the player using them is trash. Let your skill speak for itself. Unless you get paid to play this game, you aren't 'pro'.
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Can't tell you how many times I did the vog with randoms and had my hunter friend run thru the maze invisible while we left and rejoined. Stupid ppl keep getting caught. I'm not gonna spend an hour and a half on the maze cuz ppl can't follow directions. Hunters arent useless. Golden gun oracles, invisible revives and relic running, invisible maze running. They have their place. Hunters are prolly the best relic holders.
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I completely agree although I've never played VoG cause no one will take anybody under lvl27 I do know what's it's like to get stuck with an annoying loud-mouth player.
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2 RepliesThe first time I did VOG, just days after it came out, my team pushed the Templar off the ledge by complete accident. We thought it was the funniest damn thing ever, then it became an exploit. But the first time we all laughed our asses off! We had done everything by doing as much as we could by ourselves, it took us 17 hours over the course of 4 days, but we ended up figuring it out with little to know help from teh internetz, and it was a lot of fun! We legitely killed Aetheon after hours of adjusting our strategy and teams, but in the end we all felt accomplished. I'm glad my team was able to get on before a complete understanding and breakdown of the vault was disclosed online. Hell it's up to 7 chests now, we only knew about a solid 3! It felt good to be part of the quarter of the population that had accomplished this feat, now it doesn't feel quite as special.
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10 RepliesActually Hunters are no where near useless in VoG. That level 30 buddy of yours is a complete moron. Stealth resurrecting is a peach! Can't count how many times one or two people would die in a bad spot and I would go invisible and resurrect them like it was easy. Golden Gun takes out Oracles like nothing. Our weapon buffs making us more accurate and reload faster makes us fierce killing machines. I really want to slap this level 30 dickweed across the face with my penis.
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2 RepliesThe reason they say us Hunters are useless in the raid is literally only because our grenades don't help with the glitching.
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Just got the 'Flawless Raider' trophy with myself as a hunter and 2 other hunters in my team. He's obviously just a noob!
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6 RepliesEdited by Sova: 10/26/2014 9:41:41 PMlol u aint beating VOG on hard with randoms without glitches. Hunters are who make killing gatekeeper part possible.
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The only reason i glitch them is because i got nothing for beating them legit. Whoo aspect of glass wooo, its garbage, just another loading screen that looks worse as the 2500 glimmer pheaton ships....
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Hey buddy, if you realised that you were not enjoying the experience through some part of the raid, I wonder what forces you to stay on. While I can understand your annoyance with the way things were playing out in the raid, the fact that you stayed on makes you a willing partner to the cheese modes. Imo if you don't like what your group is doing leave or clarify the raid position and strategy before you begin. This reallydude's the likelihood of such said experiences and less forum crying and complaining
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I agree with you somewhat. The first time I completed the raid on easy and hard it was an epic journey. However, now all I want to do is finish it as fast as possible.
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3 RepliesI loved the raid the first few times I played it. It was competitive and finally something new to the game. 10 raids later its just another grind. Of course people try to find the fastest way through it. First time you went to McDonalds as a kid it was a treat wasn't it? Now you just go there for a fast lunch or dinner.
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the problem I have with teams in VOG is people who keep going on about lets do it legitamtly , lets stick with a plan. who then run around like headless chickens get slaughtered in seconds . leaving it all to us to do all the work by all means lets do it Legit but please stick to the plan people, one person had fantastic sound effects of him eating with plate & cuttlery, while cooying to a todler while his character just stood there & died over and over again
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Add me (Liquid Reza) I need a clan that's active
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1. Exploiting is for scrubs. 2. Every class is useful, when the player know how to play. 3. Dont support any exploits!
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If you don't want to just sit there, go in the portal. I'm a level 30 hunter and I either use the shield or shoot oracles. Either way I'm doing something. GG is great for oracles.
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Feel free to add TrustfulLoki. I too get irritated With younger gamers. I was playing through vog this week for the second time and didn't remember where to go after the Templar. Instead of just waiting for me, this group I joined just ran to the chest and opened it before I got there! Jerks
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14 RepliesEdited by LIGHT26: 10/26/2014 7:36:28 PMYou said it yourself. You've done the raid only one or two times. After you've done it 30 will see how concerned you are with finishing the bosses correctly instead of speeding through them
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Add me if your on psn xwednesday1313x I play fair no pushing off Am well mannered becsuse i am a adult of 32 yrs of age..hit me up i wanna go it on hard legit also
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Edited by Gargantuesque: 10/26/2014 11:59:14 PMI add people who cheese raid bosses as friends so I can remember which ones I will not be playing with anytime soon. You should start doing it too for the DLC raids if you don't want to meet once again that guy who felt like a champ after making the templar fall, and now wants to try that new cheese technique on that new hive boss. I don't mind people cheesing their way through the Raid as long as they say they want to do so before starting it, so I can know when to leave the party instead of doing something I find meaningless or boring. That whole thing about people being proud of their "making bosses fall "skill sets"" is pretty ridiculous when they go and do it without even thinking about the other people in the party who want to do it legit. Like they're doing you a great favor or something. If I wanted to finish a game boss in less than 2 minutes, I'd go and play a martial arts fighting game, you assface. Anywho, yeah, remember all their names and don't let them in if you form a group for the next raids, since unfortunately most of them won't have the perseverance and the patience to go through a new hard raid before cheesing techniques are found, and will only hold you back. I'm not saying this as an insult, but you gotta admit most of you exploiting the glitches all have a hard time finishing bosses the normal way and are going to shit bricks when the harder DLC raids are released. I understand too though, I know it's boring to go through the same raid again every week for hours, and I know sometimes it's hard and you just can't kill that boss. You got a wife, you got work, you don't want to spend shitloads of time trying to finish a boss and seeing yourself fail again and again. So I kind of get why some people would want to look for the easy way. And that's exactly why I'm terrified that in two months, I will only find dudes who have no idea how to play through a raid normally for the next DLC. I don't want to spend hours in a raid because someone in the party has glitched their way to level 30 and has no idea how to finish a raid boss the legit way, or how to play properly in a team. Or doesn't know why he should use this gun and not that one. Or doesn't know how to use the Crota sword properly. That kinda shit.
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If you wanna do it legitely sometime, add me, I'm on Xbone and 360 GT:SquizzieSqueek
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1 ReplyThis is something I'm a little concerned about too. So far in my group, most of us have two characters to raid with, but I'm the first to make three, now I've got my Titan to 26. Of course, I'm not gonna ask my buddies to run it a third time when I'm the only one who'll get rewards, so I'm gonna have to run it with greenies. And like you, I have zero interest in cheesing, glitching, or whatever you wanna call it. Me and my buddies have proven to ourselves just how simple the raid is when you get your strategy straight, in fact I'd say it's probably easier to do it legit than to cheese it. I suspect it's gonna take me a few tries to find a decent group tomorrow... Also, the idea of Hunters being useless in VoG is complete balls. I felt a damn sight more useful running it with my Hunter than I did with my Warlock. Golden Gun on Supplicants FTW
